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>
>No takers?
>
>Strange...........
>
>Richard
>


Yes, me!

The tax / benefits mess in this county needs to be rationalised. So,
lets ban (yes, outlaw) discounts for OAPs, students, disabled etc etc.
Force companies to charge equally.

Let's also pay a decent pension, decent benefits to those who really
need them, sod all to those who don't. Now they don't need the
discounted bus fares and cheap cinema tickets.

Let's go round every Ministry and shut down the department that
collects money from people. TV licencing, council tax, DVLA, god
knows who else. Let the Inland Revenue collect all the money for all
the departments - they are quite good at it. It's tax, so let's call
it "tax". Suddenly you've got rid of a loads of pen-pushers and
everyone gets a monthly statement from the revenue itemising charges
for road tax, TV licence etc.

Let's stop having the Inland Revenue giving out benefits (or
'credits'). They are crap at it. Most of the benefits only exist
because the basic pension etc is too low anyway.

Let's scrap road tax and fuel tax entirely and have a proper road
tolling scheme based on fairness and environmental damage. Sod all in
the country where the roads are rubbish, more on high-quality routes
like motorways and more at busy times. The London Congestion Charge
has shown that it can be done, and in many ways it works. The
charging is too blunt and there are local problems round the edges.

Of course, the EU will object because it ain't harmonised, but we
should take the French approach and tell them we're doing it anyway.
We don't care if you fine us, because we won't pay the fines.

Oh, and if the Spanish want our fish they'll have to get past the RN
first... They haven't had decent target practice since the Gulf War.




--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
 
Point is if the cheaper petrol is a couple of miles away in a direction you
would not be travelling anyway, what you use to get you there and back may
well negate any saving, however most people do not think that way, look at
all the fools on ebay for instance.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> esso is 1/2 pence per litre cheaper than tesco which is about a mile away.
> within 2miles of here there are a Q8 (very expensive), esso, sainsburys,
> shell and 2 bp's.
>



 
On Tuesday 13 September 2005 19:14, Tim Hobbs([email protected]) wrote in message
<[email protected]>

>>
>>No takers?
>>
>>Strange...........
>>
>>Richard
>>

>
> Yes, me!
>
> The tax / benefits mess in this county needs to be rationalised. So,
> lets ban (yes, outlaw) discounts for OAPs, students, disabled etc etc.
> Force companies to charge equally.
>
> Let's also pay a decent pension, decent benefits to those who really
> need them, sod all to those who don't. Now they don't need the
> discounted bus fares and cheap cinema tickets.
>
> Let's go round every Ministry and shut down the department that
> collects money from people. TV licencing, council tax, DVLA, god
> knows who else. Let the Inland Revenue collect all the money for all
> the departments - they are quite good at it. It's tax, so let's call
> it "tax". Suddenly you've got rid of a loads of pen-pushers and
> everyone gets a monthly statement from the revenue itemising charges
> for road tax, TV licence etc.
>
> Let's stop having the Inland Revenue giving out benefits (or
> 'credits'). They are crap at it. Most of the benefits only exist
> because the basic pension etc is too low anyway.
>
> Let's scrap road tax and fuel tax entirely and have a proper road
> tolling scheme based on fairness and environmental damage. Sod all in
> the country where the roads are rubbish, more on high-quality routes
> like motorways and more at busy times. The London Congestion Charge
> has shown that it can be done, and in many ways it works. The
> charging is too blunt and there are local problems round the edges.
>
> Of course, the EU will object because it ain't harmonised, but we
> should take the French approach and tell them we're doing it anyway.
> We don't care if you fine us, because we won't pay the fines.
>
> Oh, and if the Spanish want our fish they'll have to get past the RN
> first... They haven't had decent target practice since the Gulf War.


[far too good to trim]

You've got my vote! When's the next election?

--
2001 FZS600 - Silver/Black
1974 SIII Land Rover - Hardtop 2.25 Petrol, Green
1954 Ford 100E Prefect - Black
 
"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
>>No takers?
>>
>>Strange...........
>>
>>Richard
>>

>
> Yes, me!
>
> The tax / benefits mess in this county needs to be rationalised. So,
> lets ban (yes, outlaw) discounts for OAPs, students, disabled etc etc.
> Force companies to charge equally.
>
> Let's also pay a decent pension, decent benefits to those who really
> need them, sod all to those who don't. Now they don't need the
> discounted bus fares and cheap cinema tickets.
>
> Let's go round every Ministry and shut down the department that
> collects money from people. TV licencing, council tax, DVLA, god
> knows who else. Let the Inland Revenue collect all the money for all
> the departments - they are quite good at it. It's tax, so let's call
> it "tax". Suddenly you've got rid of a loads of pen-pushers and
> everyone gets a monthly statement from the revenue itemising charges
> for road tax, TV licence etc.
>
> Let's stop having the Inland Revenue giving out benefits (or
> 'credits'). They are crap at it. Most of the benefits only exist
> because the basic pension etc is too low anyway.
>
> Let's scrap road tax and fuel tax entirely and have a proper road
> tolling scheme based on fairness and environmental damage. Sod all in
> the country where the roads are rubbish, more on high-quality routes
> like motorways and more at busy times. The London Congestion Charge
> has shown that it can be done, and in many ways it works. The
> charging is too blunt and there are local problems round the edges.
>
> Of course, the EU will object because it ain't harmonised, but we
> should take the French approach and tell them we're doing it anyway.
> We don't care if you fine us, because we won't pay the fines.
>
> Oh, and if the Spanish want our fish they'll have to get past the RN
> first... They haven't had decent target practice since the Gulf War.
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs



Well you've got my vote for Prime minister Tim
That's basically the way I would like it to happen and yes Richard
lets have private health insurance instead of paying into something
I've not used for about 10 years except for holiday jabs
Perhaps then the service you get would be reasonable minimal waiting lists

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Point is if the cheaper petrol is a couple of miles away in a direction
> you
> would not be travelling anyway, what you use to get you there and back may
> well negate any saving, however most people do not think that way, look at
> all the fools on ebay for instance.


They sell fools on ebay?


:0)

Lee D


 
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:29:49 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Point is if the cheaper petrol is a couple of miles away in a direction
>> you
>> would not be travelling anyway, what you use to get you there and back may
>> well negate any saving, however most people do not think that way, look at
>> all the fools on ebay for instance.

>
>They sell fools on ebay?
>


They sell everything else....

Alex
 
what i meant was the esso is a few hundred yards away but all the others are
within 2 miles. the furthest is the bp which i use to fill up with lpg :)



"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Point is if the cheaper petrol is a couple of miles away in a direction
> you
> would not be travelling anyway, what you use to get you there and back may
> well negate any saving, however most people do not think that way, look at
> all the fools on ebay for instance.
>
>
> --
> Larry
> Series 3 rust and holes
>
>
> "Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> esso is 1/2 pence per litre cheaper than tesco which is about a mile
>> away.
>> within 2miles of here there are a Q8 (very expensive), esso, sainsburys,
>> shell and 2 bp's.
>>

>
>



 
so Austin Shackles was, like...
>
> Take council roadmenders, as an example. We've all seen plenty of
> these - and they typically down tools about 3:30 for a tea break and
> then depart for a leisurely drive back to the depot, arriving about
> 4:30 at which point it's not worth going on to another job. I know -
> I drive past 'em at school-home-time, and by the time the secondary
> schoolkids are off their bus at 10 past 4, the council workers have
> all vanished.


Classic sight today, on the way home from work. Group of council guys
putting up a new road sign. One putting the sign up, FIVE watching him do
it.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
Richard wrote:
> what i meant was the esso is a few hundred yards away but all the
> others are within 2 miles. the furthest is the bp which i use to fill
> up with lpg :)



Look cock, your posts are ****ing annoying as **** with your retarded top posting. Wil you please stop
doing it or you're in the killfile.

Please at least learn how to post correctly, top posting is just so annoying. You may well have someting
good to say, but 90% of folk can't or won't read it.


 
NO, it WON't work, I work at a garage that sells petrol/derv as a service,
we make .9p per litre and lose £120 on avg per week on fuel, but looking at
th invoices, if we remove fuel duty and VAT, we can sell at 24p per litre,
so the problem is NOT with the oil companies, it is with the 70 odd pence
per litre that Mr Brown takes.

We'd GLADLY sell our fuel at 24p, but the Govt in the 70's broke every law
and started taxing us on tax, and added VAT to Fuel Duty, so UR paying tax
TWICE on petrol/Derv.. So DON'T penalise the fuel companies, who tell us
they have had enough and are also lobbying parliament.

You are pay tax for the privaledge of paying tax on petrol, how does that
sound...Not very nice... Talk to Mr Brown who is trying to fill the black
hole in his budget by stealing 7.5 billion per year from the pension fund
(Mr Maxwell please come back) and stealing double tax from us using fuel...
The Govt made about £3000 today from out tiddly petrol station alone today,
we made about £200 if we are lucky.

So who is to blame for fuel prices???????????????????

LOBBY PARLIAMENT NOT THE OIL COMPANIES


 
There are more important things in life than grumbling about top
posting/bottom-posting. You're lucky you have a computer....just think of
all the poor & miserable in the world that haven't even seen one.....!!!!

The reason why yours are bottom-posted is because you live in the northern
hemisphere....the reason why mine are top-posted is because I live in the
southern hemisphere.

Same principles apply when water washes down the bath drain.....yours goes
anti-clockwise & ours goes clockwise. Or is that the other way around.....I
don't remember. Anyway, the bottom line is yer ferkin' bath water doesn't
flood yer house.....!!!!

It's all very simple & logical really.

Ric Norris.
Brisbane. Australia.
http://users.bigpond.net.au/cavedrawings


"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard wrote:
>> what i meant was the esso is a few hundred yards away but all the
>> others are within 2 miles. the furthest is the bp which i use to fill
>> up with lpg :)

>
>
> Look cock, your posts are ****ing annoying as **** with your retarded top
> posting. Wil you please stop doing it or you're in the killfile.
>
> Please at least learn how to post correctly, top posting is just so
> annoying. You may well have someting good to say, but 90% of folk can't or
> won't read it.
>



 
4x4 Me wrote:
> NO, it WON't work, I work at a garage that sells petrol/derv as a
> service, we make .9p per litre and lose £120 on avg per week on fuel,
> but looking at th invoices, if we remove fuel duty and VAT, we can
> sell at 24p per litre, so the problem is NOT with the oil companies,
> it is with the 70 odd pence per litre that Mr Brown takes.
>
>Hi Group

All this sounds very good but I remember the profits made by these poor hard
done by oil giants. BP made somewhere about £10 billion last year and others
a little less. It is these people who should do their bit too. All these
taxes will continue until we all take on these people who exploit us just
like the French do with their government.
Robert


 
Top post, mmm, if you dont like it, dont read it, cock. Its ****ing annoying
reading you winge on about **** all. Will you please stop. (By the way, you
spelt wil wrong).
If 90% of folk cant read (I assume that means you?) or wont then at least
10% can/will.
Thank you

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard wrote:
>> what i meant was the esso is a few hundred yards away but all the
>> others are within 2 miles. the furthest is the bp which i use to fill
>> up with lpg :)

>
>
> Look cock, your posts are ****ing annoying as **** with your retarded top
> posting. Wil you please stop doing it or you're in the killfile.
>
> Please at least learn how to post correctly, top posting is just so
> annoying. You may well have someting good to say, but 90% of folk can't or
> won't read it.
>



 
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote in news:m65ei117ojf0jj9in0bqc3qmokbf34lr9u@
4ax.com:

> Let's scrap road tax and fuel tax entirely and have a proper road
> tolling scheme based on fairness and environmental damage.


I realise you were making some other points (and perhaps a bit tongue in
cheek too) but it's worth noting that in principle fuel tax is not a bad
way to account for environmental damage.

Jeremy
 
On 2005-09-13, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> but evenso, since when did fuel become a luxury item and subject to
> full-rate VAT?


ISTR that VAT was levied on fuel right from day 1, some time back
in the 1970's . I can remember my old man complaining long and
loud that it was a tax on tax, much good it did him.

-- Pete
 
On or around Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:05:23 +0100, Pete Young
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2005-09-13, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> but evenso, since when did fuel become a luxury item and subject to
>> full-rate VAT?

>
>ISTR that VAT was levied on fuel right from day 1, some time back
>in the 1970's . I can remember my old man complaining long and
>loud that it was a tax on tax, much good it did him.


still a load of bollox, though. and they wonder why there's inflation...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured"
Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45
 
On or around Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:25:25 GMT, Jeremy Mortimer
<[email protected]_this.org> enlightened us thusly:

>Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote in news:m65ei117ojf0jj9in0bqc3qmokbf34lr9u@
>4ax.com:
>
>> Let's scrap road tax and fuel tax entirely and have a proper road
>> tolling scheme based on fairness and environmental damage.

>
>I realise you were making some other points (and perhaps a bit tongue in
>cheek too) but it's worth noting that in principle fuel tax is not a bad
>way to account for environmental damage.


apart from being completely indiscriminate... and charging the chap who does
useful work exactly the same as the bloke who uses the same amount of fuel
cruising around town all evening with his foglights on and thumpy-thumpy
stereo, and the same amount as those who use their car to go shopping 'cos
there's no other credible way of doing it.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured"
Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45
 
On or around Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:10:32 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Richard wrote:
>> what i meant was the esso is a few hundred yards away but all the
>> others are within 2 miles. the furthest is the bp which i use to fill
>> up with lpg :)

>
>
>Look cock, your posts are ****ing annoying as **** with your retarded top posting. Wil you please stop
>doing it or you're in the killfile.


pithy and to the point, but hardly all that diplomatic.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured"
Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45
 
On or around Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:44:26 GMT, "Richard"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Top post, mmm, if you dont like it, dont read it, cock. Its ****ing annoying
>reading you winge on about **** all. Will you please stop. (By the way, you
>spelt wil wrong).


Personally, I reckon it's a "when in Rome" thing - in this group the large
majority of posts are bottom posted, so as a courtesy to the regulars, it'd
be appreciated if you did the same.

If I go posting in a place where top-posting is the norm, I'd do likewise. I
don't, as it happens, but if I *did* want to post in such places, I would.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured"
Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45
 
On or around Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:40:58 +0100, "Roberts"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>4x4 Me wrote:
>> NO, it WON't work, I work at a garage that sells petrol/derv as a
>> service, we make .9p per litre and lose £120 on avg per week on fuel,
>> but looking at th invoices, if we remove fuel duty and VAT, we can
>> sell at 24p per litre, so the problem is NOT with the oil companies,
>> it is with the 70 odd pence per litre that Mr Brown takes.
>>
>>Hi Group

>All this sounds very good but I remember the profits made by these poor hard
>done by oil giants. BP made somewhere about £10 billion last year and others
>a little less. It is these people who should do their bit too. All these
>taxes will continue until we all take on these people who exploit us just
>like the French do with their government.


granted, BP et al make big profits - they also have a huge number of
shareholders, and are responsible to them, so if they made no profit and
paid no dividends and so forth, they'd not be popular.

Besides, I bet most of the profit is made on other stuff than UK pump fuel.

I worked out this morning in an idle moment that just to pay the person
sitting behind the till for a week you've got to sell about 3000 litres of
petrol or diesel...

OK, the oilco's take is more than the garage's. But in all seriousness, the
government *do* get about 65ppl of the 99p I just paid for diesel, and for
this they do next-to-sod-all. The oilco does at least source the crude,
refine it and ship it to the garage for me to buy.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"It is a characteristic of the human mind to hate the man one has injured"
Tacitus (c.55 - c.117) Agricola, 45
 
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