People pulling out in front of me.

min200 said:

Try riding a motorbike every day the clowns don't ever see you! I was once told years ago "Ride like you are invisible!" and that's the best advice I have ever had!

Most days someone tries to kill me ound:

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Many years ago I was told when riding a bike to treat everyone like they are trying to kill you. Stood me in good stead over the years but seems more true in recent years! I'm sure the quality of driving is worse than it used to be...

BladeRob said:

Many years ago I was told when riding a bike to treat everyone like they are trying to kill you. Stood me in good stead over the years but seems more true in recent years! I'm sure the quality of driving is worse than it used to be...

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And there in starts another conversation.....oh I best not start

BladeRob said:

Many years ago I was told when riding a bike to treat everyone like they are trying to kill you. Stood me in good stead over the years but seems more true in recent years! I'm sure the quality of driving is worse than it used to be...

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+1 I drive my 'fender in the same way, I did nearly 40 yeas on motorbikes and survived so there must be something worthwhile in that advice.

min200 said:

Try riding a motorbike every day the clowns don't ever see you! I was once told years ago "Ride like you are invisible!" and that's the best advice I have ever had!

Most days someone tries to kill me ound:

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Tell me about it, I wused to be a despatch rider!

I'm still recovering from surgery because of the twunt who pulled out in front of my bike in 1986!

wattfield said:

Tell me about it, I wused to be a despatch rider!

I'm still recovering from surgery because of the twunt who pulled out in front of my bike in 1986!

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Having been a biker before a driver I can sympathise, it pi$$es me off when I see just how stupid, myopic a$$wipes in cars drive around completely oblivious to everything outside there air conditioned, airbagged, computerised tin boxes.

How's this for an idea, you have to pass your test on a motorbike before you can have a provisional license to drive a car. Can you imagine the overall improvement in driving standards, might not sit very well at the ballot box though.

there are idiots as drivers in all vehicles.


was driving up an alternating prioritised one way road today and the motorcyclist coming the other way couldnt wait a minute, so decided to come against the traffic in a cycle lane...... and he was wearing a dash cam .

bike drivers are feckin awful... a lot are reckless.

The Mad Hat Man said:

there are idiots as drivers in all vehicles.


was driving up an alternating prioritised one way road today and the motorcyclist coming the other way couldnt wait a minute, so decided to come against the traffic in a cycle lane...... and he was wearing a dash cam .

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+1, seen very bad driving at the controls of all manner of vehicles. For all the motorbikists are afraid of coming into contact with anything, I had one tailgating me in mrs nissan juke the other day, I could see his face quite clearly through his visor in my rear view mirror and at 70mph that cant be good. He obviously chose to ignore the baby on board sign and my 7 month old son in the back whom he could probably see !! I bet if id been in my disco and with a trailer on he wouldve thought twice about being so close in the jnterest of his own safety...bell end!!

Try riding a motorscooter every one assumes you are a 50cc moped and try desperately to get past in 30mph zones and then are very surprised when I then go up to whatever is the next limit.
the number I've had, when they try to overtake as I've left a 30 zone and I shot off ahead at 60 leaving them on their own on the wrong side of the road.
Plus of course the pull outs in front of me but I get them in the 110 the wife's car or the scooter,.
I had two pull outs from approaching traffic today they obviously didn't see headlights foglights and one ton of blue car approaching! I won't have a white silver or grey car as they are harder to see in fog.

waldershelf said:

Having been a biker before a driver I can sympathise, it pi$$es me off when I see just how stupid, myopic a$$wipes in cars drive around completely oblivious to everything outside there air conditioned, airbagged, computerised tin boxes.

How's this for an idea, you have to pass your test on a motorbike before you can have a provisional license to drive a car. Can you imagine the overall improvement in driving standards, might not sit very well at the ballot box though.

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Full bike licence a few years before a car licence here.

Didn't even buy a car until mid 20s, after about 8 bikes

min200 said:

Try riding a motorbike every day the clowns don't ever see you! I was once told years ago "Ride like you are invisible!" and that's the best advice I have ever had! Most days someone tries to kill me ound:

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I speak from general experience based on my fifty years of driving, so please don't take these comments personally. Bikes, especially high-powered ones, are very often travelling at well above the speed limit applicable to that particular stretch of road, which means that they cover the distance between their position at which the other driver spots them & the potential collision point in proportionally less time. Just spotting a bike headlight in the distance is enough to make me pause before moving off.

norseman said:

I speak from general experience based on my fifty years of driving, so please don't take these comments personally. Bikes, especially high-powered ones, are very often travelling at well above the speed limit applicable to that particular stretch of road, which means that they cover the distance between their position at which the other driver spots them & the potential collision point in proportionally less time. Just spotting a bike headlight in the distance is enough to make me pause before moving off.

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This is very true and somewhat indefensible however most of us that have ridden motor bikes for 40 years develop an unbelievable prescience and 6th sense that makes for survival under the difficult circumstances that is motoring today whatever vehicle we are driving.

I remember a quite a few years ago reading a letter in the pages of a bike mag about a guy who was driving along when a car pulled out on him from a side road. After the crash the guy said he didn't see him coming. the letter writer said he could have understood the guilty party if he had been on a bike but he was driving a 40 tonne truck at the time.

No offence taken there are tools in every walk of life but folk really dont see bikes coming. My run to work and back is all ring road and speed cameras so no chance of having "too much fun" !

norseman said:

I speak from general experience based on my fifty years of driving, so please don't take these comments personally. Bikes, especially high-powered ones, are very often travelling at well above the speed limit applicable to that particular stretch of road, which means that they cover the distance between their position at which the other driver spots them & the potential collision point in proportionally less time. Just spotting a bike headlight in the distance is enough to make me pause before moving off.

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True.
For the record though, I'd just pulled away from the traffic lights, my headlight was on, it was daylight, and I was doing about 15 mph. There were 5 or 6 witnesses, and the car driver immediately admitted full blame and apologised. Despite all that, one witness claimed I had overtaken him on the stretch of road before the lights, which is a dual carriageway on the outskirts of the city with a 30 limit, at "something over 60mph". On an 8 year old Suzuki A100, uphill, on a rainy day? Highly unlikely!

Some cyclists are the worst! Coming up the inside of me when I'm indicating to turn left, salmoning, running red lights, not using cycle paths where provided, using normal footpaths to navigate junctions... no wonder soo many are involved in accidents and altercations with other road users.

What a complete waste of a thread .


We all agree .







It's all someone else's fault :doh:

The Mad Hat Man said:

What a complete waste of a thread .


We all agree .







It's all someone else's fault :doh:

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And that someone else has a lot to answer for the git :crazy:

"not using cycle paths where provided,"

ill bite on that one because it grinds my gears the most.

UK councils ideas of cycle paths and provision are dangerous at best. with street furniture , drive ways crossing them , crossing junctions.

oh and also - its not always cyclists faults for passing you on the left - where the #### do our great cycle lanes direct the unknowing cyclist - i always pass onthe right for obvious reasons but who blames the occasional cyclist for not knowing that the lane is not safe for them .....

theres nothing in the uk highway code that says cyclist must use the cyclepaths or lanes provided - and given most of them are a bad bodge job i dont blame them at all.

Dutch have it right

Aky208 said:

Some cyclists are the worst! Coming up the inside of me when I'm indicating to turn left, salmoning, running red lights, not using cycle paths where provided, using normal footpaths to navigate junctions... no wonder soo many are involved in accidents and altercations with other road users.

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Getting a bit off-topic here, so I'll just say this - Then there are the cyclists who ride across the line at red lights & then stop, so they are first away when the lights change. I'm pretty sure that they, as a road user, are committing a road traffic offence even by pushing a pedal cycle across the stop line against a red signal.

i frequently have people driving at me and given i had a nasty head on crash a few years ago im more than a touch nervy at the moment. but ive stopped giving them half a chance and simply drive at them untill they back down.

a little away from the topic. how do you guage too close from a tailgating perspective?

in my 90van i consider at 30 if i cant see there headlights in the mid mirror they are far to close. Paranoid or justified?