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Ah. I thought you LPG'ed it for some reason.
EAS. Not a pinhole on the fill line, is it? Has an exhaust blow in the past?
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Ah. I thought you LPG'ed it for some reason.
EAS. Not a pinhole on the fill line, is it? Has an exhaust blow in the past?
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You can add an LPG system yourself so long as it's certified afterwards.
Saint has done it I believe, he's even posted the Reg's somewhere
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You can add an LPG system yourself so long as it's certified afterwards.
Saint has done it I believe, he's even posted the Reg's somewhere
LPG install isn't an issue but buying the kit is. Cheaper and easier just to buy one with it fitted. There are a lot about.
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Yep Just gotta find a good'un
200 quid for lpg kit off the bay. About double if you buy new.
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Yep Just gotta find a good'un
I'm in no rush. Just need something for when the government stop fighting over Brexit and starts attacking diesel in a bid to fund the electric car industry.
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problem is EV's aren't a practicle solution in the grand sceme of things an LPG vehicle will be a good bet as the industry has had quite a shunt up the arse by the GOV and a few Mil has been invested in LPG in the past year..
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This is a quote from LPGC in yorkshire
There are several reasons to convert your vehicle to LPG:
·Running on LPG is better for the environment - Less pollutants exit the exhaust
·LPG is a better fuel for your engine - Your engine will last longer
·Running on LPG costs around half as much as running on petrol
Most customers are interested mainly in the last point!
By having your vehicle converted to enable it to run on LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) you can save up to 50% on your fuel costs, legally, with no noticeable difference in performance… whilst still retaining the full ability to run on petrol at the simple touch of a button.
There is no noticeable difference in full power.
Here’s a typical example which compares the cost of driving 200 miles in a petrol / diesel / LPG car of the same make and model. The petrol version might do 30mpg. The diesel version might do 40mpg:
Petrol and Diesel cost around £1.30 a litre. LPG costs on average 75p a litre
The petrol car might do 30mpg, the diesel equivalent 40mpg, the petrol while running on LPG 27mpg
There are around 4.55 litres in a gallon
The petrol car uses 200/30 = 6.67 gallons. 6.67 x 4.55 = 30.3 litres. 30.3 X £1.28p = £38.79 to do 200 miles
The diesel car uses 200/40 = 5 gallons. 5 x 4.55 = 22.75 litres. 22.75 X £1.32 = £30.03 to do 200 miles
The LPG car uses 200/27 = 7.41 gallons 7.41 x 4.55 = 33.7 litres. 33.7 x £75 = £25.28 to do 200 miles
The petrol / LPG car will cost less to service and engine parts will be less expensive should it break. Traditionally, diesel engines last longer than petrol, the main reason being that petrol washes away the lubricating film of oil between the cylinder bores and piston rings. Diesels need more servicing because unburned particulates get washed into the engine oil past the piston rings and contaminate the oil. LPG doesn’t wash away lubrication on the cylinder bores so the engine lasts longer, and there are far less unburned particulates than diesel or even petrol, so the oil lasts longer. You can run a vehicle on LPG for thousands of miles and the engine oil still looks new.
With unleaded and diesel prices increasing all the time due to the government increasing fuel duties, converting your vehicle to LPG increasingly makes more sense. As several of our customers have said, “Converting to LPG was a no brainer!” The government has pledged to increase duty on LPG as a road fuel by only one pence a year towards petrol duty for the foreseeable future. At this rate, will take over 50 years for LPG prices to increase to those of petrol and diesel.This is because the government sees both petrol and diesel as environmentally unfriendly (a great excuse to tax you heavily on it). There is no case for this claim with clean burning LPG, which is a much more environmentally friendly fuel, hence less duty.
There are now thousands of places where you can refuel with LPG alongside the usual petrol and diesel pumps, ranging from motorway services, petrol stations, supermarket forecourts, to dedicated (and even cheaper) gas suppliers. The number of refueling points is growing rapidly all the time. You should have no problem finding convenient places to refuel.
LPG vehicles make diesel ownership look daft!Diesels cannot be converted - LPG has similar properties to petrol, not diesel. But why run a diesel? Noisier, not as smooth, dirtier, smelly, less responsive and usually less powerful than petrol vehicles, people buy diesels for the economy offered - not realising they could save much more money (50%) and enjoy petrol performance by running the equivalent petrol model converted to LPG.
You should pay less for a petrol vehicle than a diesel, and the difference in cost between a petrol and diesel of the same vehicle model might well go a long way towards covering the cost of an LPG conversion. Parts for petrol vehicles are much cheaper than for diesels, besides being easier to obtain and cheaper to have fitted. LPG is better for your engine than other fuels because there are no partially burned particles to contaminate your oil.
Most customers save the cost of an LPG conversion in under a year in fuel bill savings alone. If you plan to sell the vehicle, the savings actually start sooner, because an LPG converted vehicle will be worth more at resale time. If you were looking to buy a vehicle, wouldn’t you pay extra for the one that would cost half as much to run, even less to run than the slow noisy diesel variant? LPG vehicles are sought after. Some of our customers are in the vehicle trade - they buy vehicles, have them converted then sell them on for a profit, on a regular basis. Converted vehicles sell much quicker and for more money. Many of our customers say - ”Converting to LPG is a real no brainer!”. We think they’re right!
There are several reasons to convert your vehicle to LPG:
·Running on LPG is better for the environment - Less pollutants exit the exhaust
·LPG is a better fuel for your engine - Your engine will last longer
·Running on LPG costs around half as much as running on petrol
Most customers are interested mainly in the last point!
By having your vehicle converted to enable it to run on LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) you can save up to 50% on your fuel costs, legally, with no noticeable difference in performance… whilst still retaining the full ability to run on petrol at the simple touch of a button.
There is no noticeable difference in full power.
Here’s a typical example which compares the cost of driving 200 miles in a petrol / diesel / LPG car of the same make and model. The petrol version might do 30mpg. The diesel version might do 40mpg:
Petrol and Diesel cost around £1.30 a litre. LPG costs on average 75p a litre
The petrol car might do 30mpg, the diesel equivalent 40mpg, the petrol while running on LPG 27mpg
There are around 4.55 litres in a gallon
The petrol car uses 200/30 = 6.67 gallons. 6.67 x 4.55 = 30.3 litres. 30.3 X £1.28p = £38.79 to do 200 miles
The diesel car uses 200/40 = 5 gallons. 5 x 4.55 = 22.75 litres. 22.75 X £1.32 = £30.03 to do 200 miles
The LPG car uses 200/27 = 7.41 gallons 7.41 x 4.55 = 33.7 litres. 33.7 x £75 = £25.28 to do 200 miles
The petrol / LPG car will cost less to service and engine parts will be less expensive should it break. Traditionally, diesel engines last longer than petrol, the main reason being that petrol washes away the lubricating film of oil between the cylinder bores and piston rings. Diesels need more servicing because unburned particulates get washed into the engine oil past the piston rings and contaminate the oil. LPG doesn’t wash away lubrication on the cylinder bores so the engine lasts longer, and there are far less unburned particulates than diesel or even petrol, so the oil lasts longer. You can run a vehicle on LPG for thousands of miles and the engine oil still looks new.
With unleaded and diesel prices increasing all the time due to the government increasing fuel duties, converting your vehicle to LPG increasingly makes more sense. As several of our customers have said, “Converting to LPG was a no brainer!” The government has pledged to increase duty on LPG as a road fuel by only one pence a year towards petrol duty for the foreseeable future. At this rate, will take over 50 years for LPG prices to increase to those of petrol and diesel.This is because the government sees both petrol and diesel as environmentally unfriendly (a great excuse to tax you heavily on it). There is no case for this claim with clean burning LPG, which is a much more environmentally friendly fuel, hence less duty.
There are now thousands of places where you can refuel with LPG alongside the usual petrol and diesel pumps, ranging from motorway services, petrol stations, supermarket forecourts, to dedicated (and even cheaper) gas suppliers. The number of refueling points is growing rapidly all the time. You should have no problem finding convenient places to refuel.
LPG vehicles make diesel ownership look daft!Diesels cannot be converted - LPG has similar properties to petrol, not diesel. But why run a diesel? Noisier, not as smooth, dirtier, smelly, less responsive and usually less powerful than petrol vehicles, people buy diesels for the economy offered - not realising they could save much more money (50%) and enjoy petrol performance by running the equivalent petrol model converted to LPG.
You should pay less for a petrol vehicle than a diesel, and the difference in cost between a petrol and diesel of the same vehicle model might well go a long way towards covering the cost of an LPG conversion. Parts for petrol vehicles are much cheaper than for diesels, besides being easier to obtain and cheaper to have fitted. LPG is better for your engine than other fuels because there are no partially burned particles to contaminate your oil.
Most customers save the cost of an LPG conversion in under a year in fuel bill savings alone. If you plan to sell the vehicle, the savings actually start sooner, because an LPG converted vehicle will be worth more at resale time. If you were looking to buy a vehicle, wouldn’t you pay extra for the one that would cost half as much to run, even less to run than the slow noisy diesel variant? LPG vehicles are sought after. Some of our customers are in the vehicle trade - they buy vehicles, have them converted then sell them on for a profit, on a regular basis. Converted vehicles sell much quicker and for more money. Many of our customers say - ”Converting to LPG is a real no brainer!”. We think they’re right!
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This is a quote from LPGC in yorkshire
There are several reasons to convert your vehicle to LPG:
·Running on LPG is better for the environment - Less pollutants exit the exhaust
·LPG is a better fuel for your engine - Your engine will last longer
·Running on LPG costs around half as much as running on petrol
Most customers are interested mainly in the last point!
By having your vehicle converted to enable it to run on LPG (liquefied petroleum gas) you can save up to 50% on your fuel costs, legally, with no noticeable difference in performance… whilst still retaining the full ability to run on petrol at the simple touch of a button.
There is no noticeable difference in full power.
Here’s a typical example which compares the cost of driving 200 miles in a petrol / diesel / LPG car of the same make and model. The petrol version might do 30mpg. The diesel version might do 40mpg:
Petrol and Diesel cost around £1.30 a litre. LPG costs on average 75p a litre
The petrol car might do 30mpg, the diesel equivalent 40mpg, the petrol while running on LPG 27mpg
There are around 4.55 litres in a gallon
The petrol car uses 200/30 = 6.67 gallons. 6.67 x 4.55 = 30.3 litres. 30.3 X £1.28p = £38.79 to do 200 miles
The diesel car uses 200/40 = 5 gallons. 5 x 4.55 = 22.75 litres. 22.75 X £1.32 = £30.03 to do 200 miles
The LPG car uses 200/27 = 7.41 gallons 7.41 x 4.55 = 33.7 litres. 33.7 x £75 = £25.28 to do 200 miles
The petrol / LPG car will cost less to service and engine parts will be less expensive should it break. Traditionally, diesel engines last longer than petrol, the main reason being that petrol washes away the lubricating film of oil between the cylinder bores and piston rings. Diesels need more servicing because unburned particulates get washed into the engine oil past the piston rings and contaminate the oil. LPG doesn’t wash away lubrication on the cylinder bores so the engine lasts longer, and there are far less unburned particulates than diesel or even petrol, so the oil lasts longer. You can run a vehicle on LPG for thousands of miles and the engine oil still looks new.
With unleaded and diesel prices increasing all the time due to the government increasing fuel duties, converting your vehicle to LPG increasingly makes more sense. As several of our customers have said, “Converting to LPG was a no brainer!” The government has pledged to increase duty on LPG as a road fuel by only one pence a year towards petrol duty for the foreseeable future. At this rate, will take over 50 years for LPG prices to increase to those of petrol and diesel.This is because the government sees both petrol and diesel as environmentally unfriendly (a great excuse to tax you heavily on it). There is no case for this claim with clean burning LPG, which is a much more environmentally friendly fuel, hence less duty.
There are now thousands of places where you can refuel with LPG alongside the usual petrol and diesel pumps, ranging from motorway services, petrol stations, supermarket forecourts, to dedicated (and even cheaper) gas suppliers. The number of refueling points is growing rapidly all the time. You should have no problem finding convenient places to refuel.
LPG vehicles make diesel ownership look daft!Diesels cannot be converted - LPG has similar properties to petrol, not diesel. But why run a diesel? Noisier, not as smooth, dirtier, smelly, less responsive and usually less powerful than petrol vehicles, people buy diesels for the economy offered - not realising they could save much more money (50%) and enjoy petrol performance by running the equivalent petrol model converted to LPG.
You should pay less for a petrol vehicle than a diesel, and the difference in cost between a petrol and diesel of the same vehicle model might well go a long way towards covering the cost of an LPG conversion. Parts for petrol vehicles are much cheaper than for diesels, besides being easier to obtain and cheaper to have fitted. LPG is better for your engine than other fuels because there are no partially burned particles to contaminate your oil.
Most customers save the cost of an LPG conversion in under a year in fuel bill savings alone. If you plan to sell the vehicle, the savings actually start sooner, because an LPG converted vehicle will be worth more at resale time. If you were looking to buy a vehicle, wouldn’t you pay extra for the one that would cost half as much to run, even less to run than the slow noisy diesel variant? LPG vehicles are sought after. Some of our customers are in the vehicle trade - they buy vehicles, have them converted then sell them on for a profit, on a regular basis. Converted vehicles sell much quicker and for more money. Many of our customers say - ”Converting to LPG is a real no brainer!”. We think they’re right!
Yeah, well, they would say that, wouldn't they?!
On the whole though, I agree. And it has to be better than building an electric vehicle from scratch and then charging it from (predominantly) fossil fuel?
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like the love of derv in the 90s and early 2000's there will be a loophole somewhere in the future i guarantee it. for every high there must be a low.
the realisation will set in at somepoint.
my LPG 4.6 v8 produced nothing on the emissions meter, it was so low the tech thought the machine was broken lol
Electric cars simply aren't practical for the vast majority of users as there is simply no way to fill them with 400 miles of "fuel" quickly as there is with ice vehicles.
On 3phase 400 volts, you'd be running at around 3000 amps for an hour to fill a 200kw battery. The cable would be simply too big and expensive. If you up the voltage then you need seriously thick insulation and there are much bigger safety issues.
What we really need is for manufacturers to start making plug in hybrids that can do 80-100 miles on pure electric but drive on the ice alone for longer journeys.
Then we need to link the charging network to clean energy only and have charging points at least 50% of public parking spaces.
On 3phase 400 volts, you'd be running at around 3000 amps for an hour to fill a 200kw battery. The cable would be simply too big and expensive. If you up the voltage then you need seriously thick insulation and there are much bigger safety issues.
What we really need is for manufacturers to start making plug in hybrids that can do 80-100 miles on pure electric but drive on the ice alone for longer journeys.
Then we need to link the charging network to clean energy only and have charging points at least 50% of public parking spaces.
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Hybrids are the way forward in the grand sceme of things, i ain't waiting for 40mins to charge me car thankyou very much,
it takes forever to charge on standard household leccy and EV's can't do the majority that ICE can.
There is a reason Mazda has invested in the iCE engine and most are channeling towards Hybrids..
But with that siad i'll stay with my clean V8 thank you
It takes me 3mins to pump 50l of unleaded into my car, and even then i have people waiting behind me, most Petrol stations are jam packed.
It's far off
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It would take my whole life then some!!
Hybrids will work best when they are all setup so the electric motors only drive the wheels and then a small onboard ICE to charge the batteries. Anything else just doesn't pay for itself.
My biggest concern with LPG is the Gov't saying they won't throw huge fuel duty on it. They said the same about diesel way back when, then when people started changing to it in bulk, suddenly fuel duty arrived. Once the LPG uptake is big enough, they'll tax the **** out of it, know that too many people are invested in it to walk away.
My biggest concern with LPG is the Gov't saying they won't throw huge fuel duty on it. They said the same about diesel way back when, then when people started changing to it in bulk, suddenly fuel duty arrived. Once the LPG uptake is big enough, they'll tax the **** out of it, know that too many people are invested in it to walk away.
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They already started in some regards, for ages the recharge network was free to use. But when it became pay to use so many users got a strop on, as though charge stations and electric are free. They don't even pay a lot. I think it works out about a fiver a time.
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You such a caring for the environment type, you should pay more tax, so the benefit scroungers, sorry, I mean, "government employees" can live in luxury at your expense. I mean, I wouldn't want to complain about it would you? What kind of earth hating, terrorist loving, child porn watching monster are you?
But then there is the noise of the charging stations. You walk past them and it is just a high pitch whine. Imagine when every street is littered with the things, it'd drive you round the bend.
