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OK, I've a tame local landlord who I get CO2 from - but whenever I try
to get anyone to supply me equally sized bottles of Argon I keep
getting told to bog off, need an account, must order zillions at a
time or...

.... "We can't supply that to the public as it's dangerous" (my reply
of "But it's inert you idiot, that's the point of me wanting it"
didn't work, either).

I don't want to open an account as I don't have a legit business use
for it really and don't like to give HMR&C bods anything to question.

I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
possible. Ideas anyone?


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On 2006-07-10, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
> possible. Ideas anyone?


Scuba divers use it, try dive shops?

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On 2006-07-10, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
> possible. Ideas anyone?


Further to my previous post, how about trying this lot?

http://www.diveinstruct.org.uk/gasfills.html

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Mother wrote:

> I don't want to open an account as I don't have a legit business use
> for it really and don't like to give HMR&C bods anything to question.
>
> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
> possible. Ideas anyone?


I could get you one on our account, one of the thigh-high jobbies sounds
big enough- we pay for the gas delivery and a hire charge on the
cylinder, but its not much.

Not forgetting you only need a whiff of it coming out of the torch, a
medium bottle should last you a fair time.

Steve
 
On 2006-07-10, Steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

> What are the various mixes there for, out of interest


No idea mush, sorry, I just remembered that Argon is used by divers so
did a quick google. I can hardly swim myself!

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On or around Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:13:37 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>OK, I've a tame local landlord who I get CO2 from - but whenever I try
>to get anyone to supply me equally sized bottles of Argon I keep
>getting told to bog off, need an account, must order zillions at a
>time or...
>
>... "We can't supply that to the public as it's dangerous" (my reply
>of "But it's inert you idiot, that's the point of me wanting it"
>didn't work, either).
>
>I don't want to open an account as I don't have a legit business use
>for it really and don't like to give HMR&C bods anything to question.
>
>I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
>to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
>possible. Ideas anyone?


I get bottles from air products. do need an account though as they're
rented bottles. I've got oxy and acet. for the torch and an ickle PT10 size
mig gas mix (COOGAR 5 I think it is) for the mig. which has just run out,
so I need to go and hunt a refill soon.
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"steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mother wrote:
>
>> I don't want to open an account as I don't have a legit business use
>> for it really and don't like to give HMR&C bods anything to question.
>>
>> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
>> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
>> possible. Ideas anyone?

>
> I could get you one on our account, one of the thigh-high jobbies sounds
> big enough- we pay for the gas delivery and a hire charge on the
> cylinder, but its not much.
>
> Not forgetting you only need a whiff of it coming out of the torch, a
> medium bottle should last you a fair time.
>
> Steve


Try going round the back of power tool rental shops and chating to the lads
in the work shop rather than the counter staff. Wave afew beer tokens under
their noses this will definately help you obtain that holy grail...
(thats how I got my last argon co2 mix)

Icky



 

icky wrote:
> "steve" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Mother wrote:
> >
> >> I don't want to open an account as I don't have a legit business use
> >> for it really and don't like to give HMR&C bods anything to question.
> >>
> >> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
> >> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
> >> possible. Ideas anyone?

> >
> > I could get you one on our account, one of the thigh-high jobbies sounds
> > big enough- we pay for the gas delivery and a hire charge on the
> > cylinder, but its not much.
> >
> > Not forgetting you only need a whiff of it coming out of the torch, a
> > medium bottle should last you a fair time.
> >
> > Steve

>
> Try going round the back of power tool rental shops and chating to the lads
> in the work shop rather than the counter staff. Wave afew beer tokens under
> their noses this will definately help you obtain that holy grail...
> (thats how I got my last argon co2 mix)
>
> Icky


I use BOC Inductrial http://www.bocindustrial.co.uk/

I have a small MIG and was fed up with the tiny little throw away gas
bottles, so went to BOC and was no hastle to open an account to rent a
small Argoshield Light bottle. Think the rental is £35 year and the
bottle has lasted ages, still almost full 4 years later. They didn't
ask about who I was or why I wanted it, just filled in the rental
agreement and that was it, they put the bottle in the car for me even.
If I ever want any other gas, there's now no problem, just go to a
depot with my account number and rent whatever I need.

Alan C

 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-07-10, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>
>> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
>> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
>> possible. Ideas anyone?

>
> Scuba divers use it, try dive shops?
>

Er, no. Scuba divers don't use argon, mixed gas diving is strictly for
the professionals and is hugely expensive. Scuby-doos use compressed air
or nitrox.

Karen

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just behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" -
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Steve Taylor wrote:
>
> Ian Rawlings wrote:
>
>> Further to my previous post, how about trying this lot?
>>
>> http://www.diveinstruct.org.uk/gasfills.html

> Ian,
>
> What are the various mixes there for, out of interest
>
> Steve
>

Cheapest, & most common is compressed air diving - all you need is a
good (breathing quality) air compressor capable of pumping clean oil
free air at 220 bar or so. Good for diving to 45 metres max. but mostly
<30 metre diving.

Nitrox - oxygen enriched compressed air - less likelihood of bends & you
can extend your 'bottom time', and better recovery times.

Mixed gas diving - deep diving, for the very rich or the professionals -
oxy/nitrogen/helium (heliox or trimix) is typically used, which has
the disadvantage of extracting heat very efficiently from the diver's
body, so they need to be heated, typically by a hot water jacket.
Argon is typically used for suit inflation but can be used as a mixed
breathing gas.

See http://www.techdiver.ws/exotic_gases.shtml for more info

Karen

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just behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" -
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On 2006-07-10, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:

> Er, no. Scuba divers don't use argon, mixed gas diving is strictly for
> the professionals and is hugely expensive. Scuby-doos use compressed air
> or nitrox.


Have a quick search for scuba diving and argon, you'll find out they
do use it for various things.

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On 2006-07-10, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:

> Argon is typically used for suit inflation but can be used as a mixed
> breathing gas.


Here, make yer mind up woman!

grumble mumble...

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Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-07-10, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Argon is typically used for suit inflation but can be used as a mixed
>> breathing gas.

>
> Here, make yer mind up woman!
>
> grumble mumble...
>

Heh it's in the genes ...

But to clarify, it's out of the price range of most amateurs, hence my
earlier statement. I used compressed air for suit inflation & an extra
layer of woolley bear under the suit.

Karen

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just behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" -
Jake Stonebender
 
On 2006-07-11, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:

> Heh it's in the genes ...


Yeah well us blokes are allowed to be grumpy and bad-tempered *all*
month so I suppose there has to be some comeback..

> But to clarify, it's out of the price range of most amateurs, hence my
> earlier statement. I used compressed air for suit inflation & an extra
> layer of woolley bear under the suit.


Stuff what divers use it for, it's the argon he was after!

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Ian Rawlings wrote:

>
> Stuff what divers use it for, it's the argon he was after!
>

Ooo, someone hasn't been taking their medication today :)

Steve did ask what divers use it for, so I answered. Didn't realise we
had to stay entirely on topic in this NG these days :O

Karen

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just behind my shoulder, looking out for me ... only he's an imbecile" -
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On 2006-07-11, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve did ask what divers use it for, so I answered. Didn't realise we
> had to stay entirely on topic in this NG these days :O


Har, I don't think I've posted on-topic for years ;-)

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In message <[email protected]>
Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> OK, I've a tame local landlord who I get CO2 from - but whenever I try
> to get anyone to supply me equally sized bottles of Argon I keep
> getting told to bog off, need an account, must order zillions at a
> time or...
>
> ... "We can't supply that to the public as it's dangerous" (my reply
> of "But it's inert you idiot, that's the point of me wanting it"
> didn't work, either).
>
> I don't want to open an account as I don't have a legit business use
> for it really and don't like to give HMR&C bods anything to question.
>
> I've a rather large aluminium project on the boil and will be wanting
> to avoid buying the stupidly expensive little disposable bottles if
> possible. Ideas anyone?
>
>


There's no way round it these days - you'll have to open
an account :-(


Richard
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2006 09:47:43 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>There's no way round it these days - you'll have to open
>an account :-(


I _love_ lurkers!

Thanks to 'you know who' from a certain Sheffield academic body who
popped one around at lunchtime. I'd not thought to ask you actually,
as I'd unremembered what you're doing now, ta muchly, I owe you (yet
another) at the Fat Cat on Thursday! :)


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Karen Gallagher wrote:
> But to clarify, it's out of the price range of most amateurs, hence my
> earlier statement. I used compressed air for suit inflation & an extra
> layer of woolley bear under the suit.


I use Argon for suit inflation in the winter. I get it from Air Products.
It's not expensive like helium (squeeky voices gas) but you don't want
to blow a diving suit up with a helium rich mixture - it conducts heat
so well. Once you've set up a seperate bottle you might as well use
argon.

Currently my ebay bought bodge for the P38 air suspension is partly
blown up with Argon because that's what I had in the cylinder. As a
diver the one thing I do have is lots of compressed gas. :cool:

nigelH
http://www.nigelhewitt.co.uk/stuff/gasfill.jpg


 
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