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On or around Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:41:46 +0100, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> writes
>>On or around Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:39:26 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
>>@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 08:27:38 +0100, Austin Shackles
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>ah, but I'm English by birth.
>>>
>>>I thought you were a Brummie - close I guess ;-)
>>
>>nah, parents both hail from south London.
>>
>>I was actually born, according to my birth certificate, in the district of
>>Windsor and Eton, or somesuch.
>>
>>
>That would make you from Berks

Bucks, actually. but close.

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On or around Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:39:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On or around Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:02:23 +0100, "Badger"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Anyways, it doesn't really matter.
>>It's only a game - real sport has spark plugs!
>
>unless it's a diesel...

on which line, I see that some lot had a diesel entered at Le 24 heures du
Mans this year. didn't do any good, but interesting that they tried.


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""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message >
> Still, I wonder what the
> effect would be if, instead of the usually suggested RR diffs in a
> Series, an RR had the lower-ratio Series diffs and a diesel engine.

Lots of smoke and noise, and about 60mph???
Badger.

In <[email protected]> Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Mon, 28 Jun 2004 07:39:46 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On or around Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:02:23 +0100, "Badger"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us
>>thusly:
>>>Anyways, it doesn't really matter.
>>>It's only a game - real sport has spark plugs!
>>
>>unless it's a diesel...
>
> on which line, I see that some lot had a diesel entered at Le 24
> heures du Mans this year. didn't do any good, but interesting that
> they tried.

This may be an over generalisation but one really good reason for
running "something different" is the benefits you get in sponsorship. It
rarely matters if you do as well as the other vehicles because the
amount of publicity/attention you get is substantially higher than the
other competitors get and that can then be turned into money by
demonstrating to sponsors that the publicity is there. Without publicity
you don't get sponsorship. The fact that you know that someone entered a
diesel at Le Mans proves the case to a certain extent.

The second benefit of running a diesel in speed competitions is that
they often get their own class and a lacklustre performance compared to
the rest of the field can give you a class win whilst vehicles that did
better than you overall come away with nothing. Again this is a good
selling point for potential sponsors. Much better to say "we won our
class at Le Mans this year" than "we finished 22nd at Le Mans this year" (
I don't know the sports car class systems so this may be a bad example).

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
<snip>
> must've just been buggered, then

My thoughts exactly.

>
> I don;t see why a decent-condition diesel shouldn't be tunable to equal a
> 3.5 V8 in normal use, maybe more. In terms of the modern racer, and
> considering the perfomance on-road of the current generation of diesels,
it
> should easily be possible to get results, I'd have thought. the latest
lot
> of common-rail diesels and similar sucha s the pump-düse (which IIRC is
> "pump-jet" or similar) and LR's unit injector things on the TD5 (are those
> the same, BTW? PD is the volskwagen take on it...) if they can't produce
a
> diesel endurance racer, then there's summat wrong.

Indeed. The engine in my BMW (3.0 straight 6) is a phenomenal piece of
diesel engineering, 184bhp and 288lb-ft std, chippable to 220ish bhp and
330lb-ft, smooth and quoet as well. The thought has crossed my mind a few
times now, what if this was in a 110..... Dunno how close this engine is to
the TD6, might even be the same thing packaged with different plastics?
Another engine that springs to mind is the new Peugeot V6 diesel that's
going in the X-type Jag. On paper, more poke than the BMW but how it
delivers it I don't know as straight 6's are inherently torquey designs.
Badger.

In message <[email protected]>, David French
<[email protected]> writes
>"Badger" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> > I don;t see why a decent-condition diesel shouldn't be tunable to equal
>a
>> > 3.5 V8 in normal use, maybe more. In terms of the modern racer, and
>> > considering the perfomance on-road of the current generation of diesels,
>> it
>> > should easily be possible to get results, I'd have thought. the latest
>> lot
>> > of common-rail diesels and similar sucha s the pump-düse (which IIRC is
>> > "pump-jet" or similar) and LR's unit injector things on the TD5 (are
>those
>> > the same, BTW? PD is the volskwagen take on it...) if they can't
>produce
>> a
>> > diesel endurance racer, then there's summat wrong.
>>
>> Indeed. The engine in my BMW (3.0 straight 6) is a phenomenal piece of
>> diesel engineering, 184bhp and 288lb-ft std, chippable to 220ish bhp and
>> 330lb-ft, smooth and quoet as well. The thought has crossed my mind a few
>> times now, what if this was in a 110..... Dunno how close this engine is
>to
>> the TD6, might even be the same thing packaged with different plastics?
>> Another engine that springs to mind is the new Peugeot V6 diesel that's
>> going in the X-type Jag. On paper, more poke than the BMW but how it
>> delivers it I don't know as straight 6's are inherently torquey designs.
>> Badger.
>
>How on earth did we get from discussing the England game to diesel engines?
>
>
And on that subject has anyone heard the official explanation from Uefa
as to the foul they claim to have seen on TV replays?
--
hugh
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