Operating Temperature Gauge Needle always low

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wammers said:
Your interpretation of what is said is wrong, that is the problem. Fuelling is NOT controlled by airflow through the MAF sensor. You don't have a clue what you are on about. Diesels are throttled by fuel NOT by air.
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At no point have I said that a diesel it throttled by air. That's some bollox you dreamed up you ****. I know old fashioned mechanical pumped diesel engine made more power, simply by adding more fuel. But we are now in the 21st century and it doesn't work like that any more. The tree huggers have insisted that diesel engines are greener. So the ECU has to know exactly how much air is entering the engine and the temperature of the air too. This then allows the ECU to inject the correct amount of fuel to match the O2 in the cylinder for a given torque required. This strategy reduces black smoke, particulates and improves fuel efficiency. This is in addition to the MAF function while EGR is taking place.
Now get off your bloody soap box and stop blabbing on about technology that is now in the dark ages.
Read the text from the BMW manual and shut the f**k up.
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Nodge68 said:
At no point have I said that a diesel it throttled by air. That's some bollox you dreamed up you ****. I know old fashioned mechanical pumped diesel engine made more power, simply by adding more fuel. But we are now in the 21st century and it doesn't work like that any more. The tree huggers have insisted that diesel engines are greener. So the ECU has to know exactly how much air is entering the engine and the temperature of the air too. This then allows the ECU to inject the correct amount of fuel to match the O2 in the cylinder for a given torque required. This strategy reduces black smoke, particulates and improves fuel efficiency. This is in addition to the MAF function while EGR is taking place.
Now get off your bloody soap box and stop blabbing on about technology that is now in the dark ages.
Read the text from the BMW manual and shut the f**k up.
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But i am afraid it does. You are talking total bollocks. The above is a total loads of crap. You do not seem to be able to hold a conversation without insults so this diatribe is now ended. You think what you want but you are wrong. As i have said previously you posses the mechanical and technical aptitude of a dyslexic glow worm.
 
As someone with dyslexia i'd like to think i'm a little more intelligent than a glow worm, either way i'm happy with how my lifes panned out so far in 23 years on Earth. But I think i'll stick to doing an oil change and look at getting an inline thermostat. :cool:

Thanks for all the input though.
 
wammers said:
But i am afraid it does. You are talking total bollocks. The above is a total loads of crap. You do not seem to be able to hold a conversation without insults so this diatribe is now ended. You think what you want but you are wrong. As i have said previously you posses the mechanical and technical aptitude of a dyslexic glow worm.
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So the manual and the designers are wrong but wammers is right. Yeah. You my friend need learn that you aren't always right.
I have a much better mechanical understanding than you can comprehend. Only you can't understand that.
I'm not going to waste any more of my time on you or any of your drivel.
It's about time you were banned for being a troll.
 
wammers said:
Of course it can if grossly overfilled, but a slight overfill to cause the engine to run cool no.
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Yes it does make it run cool.

We do tend to know what we're on about with the TD4 engine.

If you wish to buy a Freelander and run it for 12 years like I have, then you will find out all its little quirks.

Other than that, please stop crashing the Freelander forum unless you are going to be constructive.

Thank you

Mike
 
Skinny Mike said:
Yes it does make it run cool.

We do tend to know what we're on about with the TD4 engine.

If you wish to buy a Freelander and run it for 12 years like I have, then you will find out all its little quirks.

Other than that, please stop crashing the Freelander forum unless you are going to be constructive.

Thank you

Mike
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Perhaps you would like to explain how a little extra oil in the sump causes the engine to stop transferring combustion heat to the coolant. If you are going to say the extra oil absorbs the heat have another think because that will not be believed.
 
wammers said:
Perhaps you would like to explain how a little extra oil in the sump causes the engine to stop transferring combustion heat to the coolant. If you are going to say the extra oil absorbs the heat have another think because that will not be believed.
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No, I can not explain this too you. I'm no technical genius.
All I can say is, once I noticed the over filled engine, I put the correct level of oil in and the temperature went back to normal. Added more oil back in and the temperature went back down.
I have no idea as to the cause and effect, it just does it.
You of all people should understand that land-rovers do not follow the rule book of engineering.
We do not crash into your threads accusing you of mis information. Please respect that we do understand the Td4 and it's quirks. And yes you have been more than helpful on previous occasions. But on this one please realise we have a bit more experience.

Cheers
Mike
 
Skinny Mike said:
No, I can not explain this too you. I'm no technical genius.
All I can say is, once I noticed the over filled engine, I put the correct level of oil in and the temperature went back to normal. Added more oil back in and the temperature went back down.
I have no idea as to the cause and effect, it just does it.
You of all people should understand that land-rovers do not follow the rule book of engineering.
We do not crash into your threads accusing you of mis information. Please respect that we do understand the Td4 and it's quirks. And yes you have been more than helpful on previous occasions. But on this one please realise we have a bit more experience.

Cheers
Mike
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Most by far of the miss information on the Freelander section comes from Freelander owners. Any engine that has been filled correctly will always show a slight overfill if dipped cold before the engine has run. As long as the level drops to normal after the engine has been started and oil has been circulated all is well.
 
wammers said:
Most by far of the miss information on the Freelander section comes from Freelander owners. Any engine that has been filled correctly will always show a slight overfill if dipped cold before the engine has run. As long as the level drops to normal after the engine has been started and oil has been circulated all is well.
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You are welcome to you own opinion regarding posts in this section. But we muddle along in our own way. And quite happily correct each other or agree to disagree.
Therefore, I stand by my information regarding the oil level and the OP can decide wether to take this advice or not.

Mike
 
Skinny Mike said:
You are welcome to you own opinion regarding posts in this section. But we muddle along in our own way. And quite happily correct each other or agree to disagree.
Therefore, I stand by my information regarding the oil level and the OP can decide wether to take this advice or not.

Mike
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That is fine, but in fifty odd years in and out of the motor trade i have never heard of that before. There are lots of reason not to overfill your engine, but that has never been one i have come across. Unless it is a gremlin in the electrical control system i cannot possible see how it could happen. Unless BMW are to be credited with making the most efficient engine oil cooler known to man.
 
wammers said:
That is fine, but in fifty odd years in and out of the motor trade i have never heard of that before. There are lots of reason not to overfill your engine, but that has never been one i have come across. Unless it is a gremlin in the electrical control system i cannot possible see how it could happen. Unless BMW are to be credited with making the most efficient engine oil cooler known to man.
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You are quite correct to say that X should not affect Y. It is not a reasonable outcome.
But this is just one reason for an under temperature reading. It's quite possible the thermostat is stuck open. More uncommon, but quite a plausible reason is someone has stuck an additive such as WaterWetter in the cooling system. These tend to be put in cars that do alot of towing, carrying. This would cause low temperature and only a coolant flush would cure this.
We shall have to wait and hope @TD4Jay reports back when the problem is sorted.

Cheers
Mike
 
wammers said:
I never said you did, i was not answering you, i was i just making a statement of absolute fact. The insult was not required when you answered that. If you are only sceptical about it, that does go to prove you have the mechanical knowledge of a dyslexic glow worm.
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Fer Fecks sake Dude - Just Bog Off and turn out the light when you die.. Freeking moron.

From your EGO WALL................... Freud would have a field day ...

"Wammers, the things you know would not fit on a postage stamp as your are a total dick head"
 
wammers said:
That is fine, but in fifty odd years in and out of the motor trade i have never heard of that before. There are lots of reason not to overfill your engine, but that has never been one i have come across. Unless it is a gremlin in the electrical control system i cannot possible see how it could happen. Unless BMW are to be credited with making the most efficient engine oil cooler known to man.
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50 Years 'experience' , ROTFLMFAO :D or ???? - 1 month - repeated 720 times - ???????? ....................... (as is oft' the case)................... :rolleyes:

Knob.
 
Thread closed.

I've already warned about swearing in tech sections on this thread and if that's not enough to get the message across the holiday vouchers will come out :mad:

If the OP would like to update and continue feel free to start a new thread.
 
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