Official the P38 is the worst Landrover ever made

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howardo said:
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Just been out at lunch and picked up a copy of LRM. Not sure what you've been reading but they don't say anything about it being the 'worst Landrover ever made'.

If anyone is interested they give it 82/100 (L322 is 88/100) and mention that it suffers because it followed a true legend (the Classic) but it's stature should improve as enthusiasts learn how to deal with and repair the electronic issues.
 
stjohnsmythe said:
I don't think any of the models are great. I remember being on an off road day in my old Classic and discovering that my carpets were getting wet due to a hole in the floor. The L322 seems to be heading the same way as the P38 judging by the posts on here. When Range Rovers get old, they become a whole load of trouble whichever way you look at it. Still, keeps me busy tinkering on the weekends :)
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The holes make it go faster! Never heard of speed holes?
 
Datatek said:
What planet are you on? The L322 is one of the worst cars in the JD Power survey for new car problems.
I went to a LR promo day for the P38. The P38 packed up, the Gaylander got stuck and the Defender lost it's exhaust:rolleyes:
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Did you have enough tissues? :p
 
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The P38's electrics leave a lot to be desired - but IMHO the P38 is the best-built Land Rover product ever, the bodyshell and chassis are leagues ahead of most other Land Rover products in terms of strength and rust resistance. Wind forward 25 years and I think there will be more P38s left than L322s.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
The P38's electrics leave a lot to be desired - but IMHO the P38 is the best-built Land Rover product ever, the bodyshell and chassis are leagues ahead of most other Land Rover products in terms of strength and rust resistance. Wind forward 25 years and I think there will be more P38s left than L322s.
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So long as people don't scrap them over trivial tjings that can be fixed.

I love mine. And I like the L322 as well. But until prices fall enough to be anle to repair them like the P38, I don't think I'll be having one.

The 4.4 is quick and responsive, but it still doesn't have the burble of the 4.6. And although plagued with gremlins, they are simple and easy enough to fix quite cheaply.
 
My opinion on Range Rovers is this: They are the most frustrating, bank account draining, hair pulling, pain in the arse. But when you're walking across the car park after a **** day, jump in and strike that engine. Everything fades away. It might only work twice a year. But when it does, you just melt away in the leather and smile all the way home.

I liked my old Escort for having more personality than my P38, but I never get the same feeling of extreme comfort and relaxation. There are very few places I'd rather be than behind the wheel of a Range Rover.
 
My mate works in a independent 4x4 workshop and they are now getting 3 L332.s to every 1 P38 in for repaire, the L332's are in mostly for gearbox faults
 
My love was blind for my 99! Then I started hanging around forums and now suspect her like a paranoid boyfriend suspects a girlfriend slightly too good for him. She'll let me down one day....but she's a hell of a ride until then.
 
My P38 is the family daily driver, used mainly by my wife, so it needs to be reliable.
And it is :)
It got Tornado chips and a pre heater system fitted in February and is comfortable, powerful and smooth.
Mind you, I have almost lived on Range Rover forums over the last few years while I learned how they worked, what all the problems were and how to fix them.

I've probably jinxed myself now !

As previously said.......who cares what others think!
 
XGA644 said:
My P38 is the family daily driver, used mainly by my wife, so it needs to be reliable.
And it is :)
It got Tornado chips and a pre heater system fitted in February and is comfortable, powerful and smooth.
Mind you, I have almost lived on Range Rover forums over the last few years while I learned how they worked, what all the problems were and how to fix them.

I've probably jinxed myself now !

As previously said.......who cares what others think!
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:welcome: Great advice always avaliable from the guys on here @ landyzone
 
Well, i love mine despite our 'disagreements' now & then......& a 4.6 V8 with a Janspeed exhaust just puts a big smile on my face. :D:D:D
 
I love my 1999 DHSE. Yes, I have spent a bundle on it, and I have torn my hair out on the rare occasion. But I know I can go out in the morning what ever the weather and it will start first time every time. Since replacing the remote receiver no problems, replaced the ABS accumulator no problems. Fitted Datatek's aircon fan mod perfect.
Having read posts on this forum warnings of potential problems I have replaced parts before they fail and I reckon that has been worthwhile.
Great Forum, Great Car. - P38A
Bill
 
Having just 'upgraded' from P38 to L322, I couldn't disagree more with the title of this thread!

My P38 is 18 years old. There is no rust on it anywhere. I have driven it about 18,000 miles in just under 2 years and it has been great.

The car was very advanced for its time in 1995, and here we are getting on for two decades later moaning about the odd electrical fault. Yet the vast majority of the car's electrics on the vast majority of cars still work fine even after all this time.

OK it could have been fitted with coils and have a proven, basic car electrical system like the Japanese competition, but it wouldn't have performed anything like as well. Go for a spin in a Land Cruiser or Mitsi of a similar vintage and you will realise how crude they are in comparison.

So L/R took some chances with a much more complicated car than the competition, which performed superbly but suffered from reliability issues. Most of these can be resolved fairly easily and hence there are loads of them still on the road.

The L322 is a big step forwards in making the RR more like a luxury car but it does not feel like it will last as long. And somehow the P38 feels more like a 'proper' 4x4.

I won't be all that suprised if my soon-to-be-ex P38 is still going strong in 10 years time, I will be suprised if the L322 is...........

I think it may well be the BEST car L/R ever made... the most durable, very capable off road, very capable on road.

Cheers,

Jerry
 
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jerrytlr said:
Having just 'upgraded' from P38 to L322, I couldn't disagree more with the title of this thread!

My P38 is 18 years old. There is no rust on it anywhere. I have driven it about 18,000 miles in just under 2 years and it has been great.

The car was very advanced for its time in 1995, and here we are getting on for two decades later moaning about the odd electrical fault. Yet the vast majority of the car's electrics on the vast majority of cars still work fine even after all this time.

OK it could have been fitted with coils and have a proven, basic car electrical system like the Japanese competition, but it wouldn't have performed anything like as well. Go for a spin in a Land Cruiser or Mitsi of a similar vintage and you will realise how crude they are in comparison.

Agrre
So L/R took some chances with a much more complicated car than the competition, which performed superbly but suffered from reliability issues. Most of these can be resolved fairly easily and hence there are loads of them still on the road.

The L322 is a big step forwards in making the RR more like a luxury car but it does not feel like it will last as long. And somehow the P38 feels more like a 'proper' 4x4.

I won't be all that suprised if my soon-to-be-ex P38 is still going strong in 10 years time, I will be suprised if the L322 is...........

I think it may well be the BEST car L/R ever made... the most durable, very capable off road, very capable on road.

Cheers,

Jerry
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Well said :clap2:
And think that the above sums up the not to distant future classic
 
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