Off Roading

Going on an off road lesson on Friday.

Its one where you can drive your own vehicle.

Question - Should I take by P38 or my old Series 2a.

If you have done similar please advise.

Cheers,
Steve

depends how much water is there p38 + water = tow home

Cheers,Given the weather the last few weeks I think there will be water!!!

My Series is 40 years old - drives fine but just concerned that such a day may be too much of a shock for it...

Steve.

Steve Ashworth said:

Going on an off road lesson on Friday.

Its one where you can drive your own vehicle.

Question - Should I take by P38 or my old Series 2a.

If you have done similar please advise.

Cheers,
Steve

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Fook that drive there's and kill the fooker.

Actually lessons tend to be quite tame and they won't take ya anywhere near anything that's likely to cause you problems. Tis bad for business.

Took mine around Tong the other month and it did nearlt all the routes, apart from the black ones. Only damage was one side repeater fell out, but I think it was broke before and just came out of the wing with all the bumping around. Go on try it.

youll never know unless ya try

Cheers Knifty,

What were you driving?

Steve

The P38 is an awesome off-roader, bring it and it'll open your eyes as to its untapped capabilities.

As for water problems it annoys me when I see this thrown at the P38, if water is getting at the BECM then you've got so many other issues, including your driving skills, that it'll be the least of your troubles.

That goes for all other modern off roaders too. Think of how many electric motors and associated ECU's are in any luxury off-roader. To go any deeper than the manufacturers recommendation (top of the tires) requires proper preparation (axle breathers, gearbox breathers, engine air intake in any vehicle- all of which bar air intake are better prepared as standard with the P38 than any other luxury off roader I know of). If you're planning on going deep then you need to prepare for getting stuck in deep water. With the P38 this will require moving the bloody BECM and other floor mounted computers.

I'd rather be in water in my P38 with ECUs on the floor but with door seals of a modern car than in a Defender TD4 with ECU on the floor too but with door seals of an antique

Comments appreciated.

Remember it's between the P38 and a Series2a which has no computers and only basic electrics.

I agree the P38 probably outperforms any modern luxury 4x4.

What I am uncertain of is which I will learn more/have more fun in.

So many people say that the old landrovers outperform modern 4x4's with all the electronic aids.

I am not convinced but want to find out...

If I had a trailer I would take both!!

Steve

Only a dyed in wool life time member of the series club wearing his very best pair of rose tinted glasses will try and tell you that any leaf sprung 4x4 will outperform any of its ladderframe coil/airbag sprung children let alone those equiped with TC.

Series LR do very well off road as most will be running dedicated off road tires. Put similar tires on a modern defender/disco/RR and it will go anywhere a series will go and more(with the possible exceptiion of boggy ground where the lighter weight of an early series wil be an advantage).

"a dyed in wool life time member of the series club" who knows how to drive will be able to cream over those ****s driving moderns 4x4s who think it's all about point and boot

Waterproof the height sensor connectors with silicone grease if you are going near water with your P38, mine used to play up in Yorkshire rain never mind wading!

try the p38, i bet youve never been off road in it.It will pleasantly surprise you(unless it breaks).The Series will be fine too and fun, but id say a series more likely to be seen off road.

Sean said:

"a dyed in wool life time member of the series club" who knows how to drive will be able to cream over those ****s driving moderns 4x4s who think it's all about point and boot

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An experienced off-road driver would cream over them driving a Citroen 2CV let alone a vehicle as capable as a series LR.

But that doesn't make a Series LR a better off-roader than a contemporary RRC for example.

I've had my P38 on Salisbury Plain with no problems or drama. I was amazed by its ability (although I did wimp out of some bits).

The P38 does rely on its electronics though to keep moving, does yours have 4 wheel or 2 wheel TC??, I have heard stories about the earlier cars with 2 wheel TC getting stuck more easily.

at the end of the day they are both land rovers.

Who you doing the lesson with? I'd quite fancy having one in my P38.

Guy

The P38 has TC operating on all 4.

Going to Parkwood near Bradford.

I think I will take the Series 2a, should be more interesting as I will have to do a bit more than sit and point.

Steve

Dorset VogueSE said:

The P38 does rely on its electronics though to keep moving, does yours have 4 wheel or 2 wheel TC??, I have heard stories about the earlier cars with 2 wheel TC getting stuck more easily.

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Again thats a bit unfair to the P38. I can't believe how under-rated the P38 is The P38 is still true to the original Range Rover concept of traction through soft springing and axle articulation.
Watch a VW Toureg or late model Pajero off road and you'll see a vehicle that relies on TC to keep moving with wheels dangling in the air all over the place, totally untrue of the P38. Yes in slippery conditions you'll hear the TC clicking merrily away but pull the TC fuse and the P38 will get through 95% of the situations in the same conditions. And as Sean put it above a bit of finesse from the driver will get you through most of the others.

Obviously there are certain situations where 4 wheel TC will get you out of a hole but knowing the capabilities (of which I have yet to reach the limits of after 2 years of mixing it with articulated dumptrucks and excavators in wind farm and forestry road construction) of my 2 wheel TC 98MY I wouldn't take my RR into that situation without rock sliders and beefed up guards and maybe even roll protection. :rolly:

And believe me I've tested it