ovalandrover
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Are P38s any good off road?
look at the video and decide for yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV6Co8DWvYU
look at the video and decide for yourself!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV6Co8DWvYU
TC is about marketing, it's cheap nasty replacement for LSD's and/or diff locks. My Pajero with LSD rear and lockable centre was much better than the P38 off the tarmac and on ice & snow.Yes, saw 996Turbo on there. A fair few of those are modified - running on springs, diff locks etc. Looks fun though!
I almost got stuck today on a rough patch with opposing wheels cocked up in the air. Seems the traction control isn't as good as it could be. Diff locks definitely required if doing any semi-serious off-road stuff.
I almost got stuck today on a rough patch with opposing wheels cocked up in the air. Seems the traction control isn't as good as it could be. Diff locks definitely required if doing any semi-serious off-road stuff.
In my opinion, the TC is neither cheap nor nasty. For its time it is was a great step forward. Of course, it is much better when it is on all four wheels rather than just two. Open diffs can leave you in 2WD regularly, and TC can save you in many situations, no matter what your offroad driving experience. All it was designed to do was get you moving again if you lift a wheel really, and it does that, very well, in a large percentage of offroad situations. If it can't save you, then you should have chosen a better line (just like you needed to do with open diffs).
No doubt lockers are better, much better, but LSDs -can- wear out so much that they are completely ineffective and without any warning.
I will also say after extensive off roading with a L322, that its TC is better than the P38 (as you would expect). I suspect it is just that the TC ECU is so much faster at detecting a stopped wheel, but also I think that my P38 VC may be 'more viscous and less coupling' than new . My solid axles and P38 TC do not overcome the perceived limitations of independent suspension and L322 TC, especially when the L322 is sporting mud tyres.
If you took the TC off the P38, I think that it would be a much less capable beast off road, and no different on road, therefore its TC cannot be considered cheap or nasty.
You've probably only got two wheel TC - the later 4 wheel TC is design for exactly this situation. Yep, not as good as diff locks but it'll usually get you out of trouble. When cross-axled like that your best bet is to get on the throttle and leftfoot brake at the same time which will transfer some power to the wheels with traction.
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