New TD5, geabox a worry

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BenRelle

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Hi all,

Got my new TD5, works nicely bar the 'box. It's a really slow change, especially when cold, and especially going from 1 -> 2 and 2 -> 3. You have to let the revs drop all the way away going from 1 -> 2, and it sort of catches going from 2 -> 3. It's had a new clutch master cyl, so it's not that, and the other cogs are fine.

Thoughts? Typical?

Thanks,

ben
 
Typical...have you had a Land Rover with that gearbox before?
If not...dont try & drive it like a car-it aint-treat it like a light truck & youll be fine...pauses between shifts are the key as well as matching transmission & engine speed.
They do wear, "normally" the change down to 2 form 3 & up from 3-4.
Ive had a notchy 3-2 for ages now...ya get used to it.
When I cant get 2nd at all is when Ill change the box over
 
On my TD5, after I changed the bias plate for the gear lever the 2nd to 3rd change was notchy. I had to take the console etc off and make a small adjustment to get it correct. The change is now fine, although better when warmed up.

The gear change on these is totally different to a car. Agreed with the other repy that you have to take it easy with the changes. Adds to the 'character' though :)
 
BenRelle said:
Hi all,

Got my new TD5, works nicely bar the 'box. It's a really slow change, especially when cold, and especially going from 1 -> 2 and 2 -> 3. You have to let the revs drop all the way away going from 1 -> 2, and it sort of catches going from 2 -> 3. It's had a new clutch master cyl, so it's not that, and the other cogs are fine.

Thoughts? Typical?

Thanks,

ben
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Ben,

TBH That sounds about right.....just wait till it's really really cold and try going from 1st to 2nd :D
As Foss says....it's a truck not a car box.
and as MHM said, try changing oil....could/may help
 
Our V8 manual is no trouble at all, even in the cold, it is always easy to change gear with.

It's the same R380 box, only the clutch damper is different as the V8 doesn't have it. That should come with the new M/Cylinder.

Peter
 
foss said:
Typical...have you had a Land Rover with that gearbox before?
If not...dont try & drive it like a car-it aint-treat it like a light truck & youll be fine...pauses between shifts are the key as well as matching transmission & engine speed.
They do wear, "normally" the change down to 2 form 3 & up from 3-4.
Ive had a notchy 3-2 for ages now...ya get used to it.
When I cant get 2nd at all is when Ill change the box over
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Yeh good advice
 
Thanks for the replies guys. I'll change the oil today. Unfortunately messrs Devon 4x4 haven't sent my order, which included the Haynes book of jokes for this model, but I imagine the drain plug and the filler plug are fairly obvious.

To the other questions, yes, I've had landies before, I had a '74 model Series III, and I've had 2 RR classics. IMHO, the Series III had a slicker box than this one :rolleyes:. Matching engine revs to gearbox revs - you have to be joking, right? That's what Synchromesh is for! If it's knackered (and I'm kind of guessing that in a worst case scenario, this is what's happening to me here), then you'd be right - I'd need to be more careful, or I need a new box :mad:. And it had been pretty cold here (I'm down in Kent) recently, prolly seen -5 deg C-ish. It didn't like going into 2nd at all then!

Thanks again for the replies though - maybe I'll be back soon asking where the various drain and filler plugs are!

Ta,

Ben
 
What is it for these? Is it ATF?

On another note, is the drain plug conventional thread? I'm asking as it really doesn't want to come out...
 
Ah well, mines now got a mixture of: REDLINE - 70w80 MTL Manual Transmission Gear Oil - 0.946 Litre/1 US Quart :: £13.23 :: Oil, Lubrication, Fluids & Liquid Additives :: REDLINE - Oil, Lubrication & Additives :: (as I had some lying around), and this: Comma :: Productsguide, again, because I had it lying around. If it all goes horribly wrong, you guys will be the first to know. So far though, there has been a marked improvement. I took my father-in-law out in the disco for about 5 mile round trip just local country lanes, about three quarters of the way round, I'd stopped thinking about the box altogether. It was still a bit graunchy when I first set out, but there's a big difference.

If the oil isn't quite right, it has to be better than what came out - that was a slushy brown colour - looked like water in the river thames, or what happens when you make 50:50 orange juice and cola...

It'll be interesting to see what it feels like tomorrow morning when it's cold - I warmed it up to make the oil flow out nicely...

Ben
 
BenRelle said:
Ah well, mines now got a mixture of: REDLINE - 70w80 MTL Manual Transmission Gear Oil - 0.946 Litre/1 US Quart :: £13.23 :: Oil, Lubrication, Fluids & Liquid Additives :: REDLINE - Oil, Lubrication & Additives :: (as I had some lying around), and this: Comma :: Productsguide, again, because I had it lying around. If it all goes horribly wrong, you guys will be the first to know. So far though, there has been a marked improvement. I took my father-in-law out in the disco for about 5 mile round trip just local country lanes, about three quarters of the way round, I'd stopped thinking about the box altogether. It was still a bit graunchy when I first set out, but there's a big difference.


If the oil isn't quite right, it has to be better than what came out - that was a slushy brown colour - looked like water in the river thames, or what happens when you make 50:50 orange juice and cola...

It'll be interesting to see what it feels like tomorrow morning when it's cold - I warmed it up to make the oil flow out nicely...

Ben
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70W80 sounds MUCH too thick to me.
 
Yep, all good.

Land Rover oils for engines, gearboxes, differentials and transfer cases is another interesting site too, and the stuff I'm using is within spec. Oil threads are always fraught with opinion and counter opinion, but as I say, if it all ends in tears, I'll let you know.

The story goes that the only reason why Rover started using ATF in the manual gearboxes anyhow is because ladies couldn't get the gears to shift in the SD1. The dealers started using thinner ATF, and that's what they carried on using until they started using proper Manual transmission oil again. Mine definitely had ATF in it, and with what is has now, it's shifting better than it was - it's like night and day.

While the shifting not a measure of how 'good' an oil is, I do know the redline oil is excellent stuff (the reason I have it around is because I also run a Dax Rush kit car, and that's what is in the gearbox in that), and the other stuff is what goes in BMW transmissions, again, I used to have a BMW.

We'll wait and see.
 
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