New Defender

LR have dropped the lead in model, so now the cheapest is just over £50,000

Previously you could get a 90 on steel wheels for £45,000
A recent road test said the lead in model with the 200 engine and standard coil spring suspension is all you'd ever need.

The tester had his own 110 with air suspension etc and said the "basic" 90 was absolutely fine

Sadly at a starting price of over £50,000 the new Defender is now even more out of reach.

Seen the new one in the car park at Morrison supermarket the other day. Can't work whether it smaller than the original 90.

There’s a Jim Bond edition coming out, a snip at £105,395 for a 90 and £108,040 for a 110. Join the queue

Predictably there IS a queue. To be honest you'd be lucky to get one before 2023.

The affluent West......

A fella I know in our village has just bought one. It's a utility (he has a farm) and reckons he paid £35K +VAT

If this is true JLR deserve to fail. It's beyond madness having this price point. Of course 90+ percent of owners don't/will never own their new Defender...they'll be either business lease or domestic PCP folk. This is why JLR and others are still "selling..." cars. Without low cost finance most European manufacturers would be near dead in the water. Oh, and the greedy/needy new car indebted drivers.

All the above aside, I still like the new 90 and *IF* it proves reliable over longer term I would like a low mileage second hand unit in a few years time. But wonder what the residual/second hand values will be?

Looking on the configurator today, the cheapest 90 (excluding the commercial) is £58,000

I’ve come around and quite like the new defender (don’t @ me). It’s difficult to make vehicle of that calibre for much cheaper. Even the grenadier isn’t much cheaper. If JLR want to lead the technology behind these vehicles, which with so much competition these days is getting harder, the vehicles will be pricey.

They’re not making series 1s anymore.

Al2O3 said:

A fella I know in our village has just bought one. It's a utility (he has a farm) and reckons he paid £35K +VAT

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No doubt he claimed the VAT back....as well

+1 @payydg , I too like the modernity of the design [but not the 80+ ecus']. It's a shame that JLR with all their truly global buying power cannot produce to a lower RRP. I've thought long and hard about a new D90 and will dip toe into buying a second hand unit in a few years time...providing it proves reliable long term. If not, it'll be another Subaru Forester...or maybe one of these

ER1C said:

No doubt he claimed the VAT back....as well

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He's got his own business. A big one! So, I doubt he's paid anything at all

l wouldn't say no to a new Defender 110, but at close to £60,000 it's completely out of reach.

v8250 said:

+1 @payydg ,If not, it'll be another Subaru Forester...or maybe one of these

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Must admit I loved my 05 plate 2.5 Legacy, elecky everything, leather seats. If it hadn't been for a knackered DMF and the jack going through both sills I'd still have it.
Saw it on Autotrader a few weeks ago for more than I paid for it about 6 years ago

backinblack said:

Must admit I loved my 05 plate 2.5 Legacy, elecky everything, leather seats. If it hadn't been for a knackered DMF and the jack going through both sills I'd still have it.
Saw it on Autotrader a few weeks ago for more than I paid for it about 6 years ago

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This is my problem too, but without the rust. I drive a 15 year old Forester XT. 130k miles on the clock, 80k of those from me. The car is still near flawless, starts every time, proper old school Subaru grunt, drive & mechanics. And I genuinely have no idea what to replace it with. All current cars are so full of tech nonsense I'm dreading the day I need to replace the FXT. Values are going up which is great. But a new Defender will never be as tough, reliable and as fun as a Forester.

v8250 said:

This is my problem too, but without the rust. I drive a 15 year old Forester XT. 130k miles on the clock, 80k of those from me. The car is still near flawless, starts every time, proper old school Subaru grunt, drive & mechanics. And I genuinely have no idea what to replace it with. All current cars are so full of tech nonsense I'm dreading the day I need to replace the FXT. Values are going up which is great. But a new Defender will never be as tough, reliable and as fun as a Forester.

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Main reason I went back to an LR is my local (excellent) indi is a 15 minute walk if when I need part/help, if there was a Scooby place near I would have probably gone for an Outback
That's not to say I don't love my L322, I just know one day it will bite me

The 0-60 speed is a good indicator that this isn't the same vehicle as a proper fender. Doesn't mean its not a nice motor though.

goonarmy said:

The 0-60 speed is a good indicator that this isn't the same vehicle as a proper fender. Doesn't mean its not a nice motor though.

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Excuse me Mine's like sh1t off a stick! No, sh1t off a shovel! No, hold on, it's just sh1t