My Land Rover dilemma! A tale of woe, a warning to other newbies and a request for advice!

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Right from being a little boy I’d always wanted an old Series Land Rover.

We ran our old Skoda Octavia for 12 years. By the time that it finally came to the end of its life we’d saved enough cash to buy our first new family car outright! My good lady didn’t want me filling the new car with horse manure for our allotment nor did she want me fetching logs for the stove, so I finally got permission to use the cash left over to purchase an old Landie.

I did some research and began looking for a project that was both cheap and could be got running quickly, so that I could use it whilst continuing to make repairs and improvements. I fell in love with a nice little 88 project on Ebay and thought nothing of buying a 1963 vehicle that looked like a Series 3, I was relishing the challenge of refitting the engine to a vehicle (the original engine was in the back). Foolishly I didn’t go and look at the vehicle (the chap had got excellent feedback). The Landie was purchased, delivered, the V5 signed and work began. The tub floor was knackered and I didn’t want the prehistoric gas system. The engine number was located and parts acquired, once running the engine went back in and one happy Land Rover owner was making progress! Then it all unravels, you see I’m the kind of person that naively trusts other folk until they let me down. I need to develop a distrust of folk till they prove trustworthy. Anyway I decided to locate all the serial numbers (VIN, transmission, axles, and chassis). The vehicle has had a replacement chassis fitted and of course there is no chassis number and I have no receipt! Worst still the bulkhead VIN plate didn’t match the V5.

I ponder what to do and eventually decide that honesty is the best policy and I informed DVLA of my vehicles identity crisis. Upshot is DVLA now want to put it on a Q plate and it’ll have to go through an IVA test. The stumbling block is the replaced chassis and my lack of any receipt and proof that it matches the original spec for a Series 3. What I can’t understand is my vehicle has series 3 body work, engine, transmission, and axles, is clearly on leaf springs, so how can the chassis be anything other than to spec?

I have found a four digit number of the chassis, armed with this I contacted Richards Chassis, Designa Chassis, GKN and Marslands Chassis. All of which I will say were has helpful as they could possibly be! I thought for a moment Marslands were about to save my bacon, apparently many years ago for a brief spell they did number their chassis. Unfortunately after a search they called me back to say that the records hadn’t been kept.

I am about to send form V888 to DVLA requesting all info pertaining to my vehicle. I’m going to write to the previous keepers in the hope that someone out there could be sat on a large pile of receipts! I’ve also asked DVLA for a copy of the SGS inspection report. The inspector implied that I had screwed a different VIN plate onto the bulkhead, however am I correct in thinking that Land Rover did screw them onto the bulkhead prior to 1979?

Before my Landie dream comes to an end and I decide to break the vehicle for parts “Does anyone have any helpful suggestions?” Does the Land Rover Club undertake vehicle evaluations and do they have any clout with DVLA?

Finally if you are contemplating buying a Landie don’t be naïve like me, go and see it! Make sure that the V5 matches the vehicle. If it has a galvanised chassis make sure that the chassis number has been stamped on the chassis and that the receipt is amongst the paperwork! AND BE SURE TO TELL DVLA NOTHING.
 
Right from being a little boy I’d always wanted an old Series Land Rover.

We ran our old Skoda Octavia for 12 years. By the time that it finally came to the end of its life we’d saved enough cash to buy our first new family car outright! My good lady didn’t want me filling the new car with horse manure for our allotment nor did she want me fetching logs for the stove, so I finally got permission to use the cash left over to purchase an old Landie.

I did some research and began looking for a project that was both cheap and could be got running quickly, so that I could use it whilst continuing to make repairs and improvements. I fell in love with a nice little 88 project on Ebay and thought nothing of buying a 1963 vehicle that looked like a Series 3, I was relishing the challenge of refitting the engine to a vehicle (the original engine was in the back). Foolishly I didn’t go and look at the vehicle (the chap had got excellent feedback). The Landie was purchased, delivered, the V5 signed and work began. The tub floor was knackered and I didn’t want the prehistoric gas system. The engine number was located and parts acquired, once running the engine went back in and one happy Land Rover owner was making progress! Then it all unravels, you see I’m the kind of person that naively trusts other folk until they let me down. I need to develop a distrust of folk till they prove trustworthy. Anyway I decided to locate all the serial numbers (VIN, transmission, axles, and chassis). The vehicle has had a replacement chassis fitted and of course there is no chassis number and I have no receipt! Worst still the bulkhead VIN plate didn’t match the V5.

I ponder what to do and eventually decide that honesty is the best policy and I informed DVLA of my vehicles identity crisis. Upshot is DVLA now want to put it on a Q plate and it’ll have to go through an IVA test. The stumbling block is the replaced chassis and my lack of any receipt and proof that it matches the original spec for a Series 3. What I can’t understand is my vehicle has series 3 body work, engine, transmission, and axles, is clearly on leaf springs, so how can the chassis be anything other than to spec?

I have found a four digit number of the chassis, armed with this I contacted Richards Chassis, Designa Chassis, GKN and Marslands Chassis. All of which I will say were has helpful as they could possibly be! I thought for a moment Marslands were about to save my bacon, apparently many years ago for a brief spell they did number their chassis. Unfortunately after a search they called me back to say that the records hadn’t been kept.

I am about to send form V888 to DVLA requesting all info pertaining to my vehicle. I’m going to write to the previous keepers in the hope that someone out there could be sat on a large pile of receipts! I’ve also asked DVLA for a copy of the SGS inspection report. The inspector implied that I had screwed a different VIN plate onto the bulkhead, however am I correct in thinking that Land Rover did screw them onto the bulkhead prior to 1979?

Before my Landie dream comes to an end and I decide to break the vehicle for parts “Does anyone have any helpful suggestions?” Does the Land Rover Club undertake vehicle evaluations and do they have any clout with DVLA?

Finally if you are contemplating buying a Landie don’t be naïve like me, go and see it! Make sure that the V5 matches the vehicle. If it has a galvanised chassis make sure that the chassis number has been stamped on the chassis and that the receipt is amongst the paperwork! AND BE SURE TO TELL DVLA NOTHING.
I've heard of similar trouble.

In this situation you might get some positive help from the Land Rover series 2 club. They might (and I only say might because it does sound like you have a real bitsa) be able to help, if not advise what to do next.

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If that doesn't work out the best course of action might be to put the good bits you have on another series 2 that needs a load of help.
 
Mine is a series 3 1978 and my VIN plate is on the front panel to the left of the radiator. I thought it was odd that it wasn't on the bulkhead but then again mine is a real mongrel as well.
 
Thanks for your comments guys. I had considered doing this, but with a Series 3. It may be a bitsa, but if it is its all Series 3 bits, front panel, wings, dash, also, engine, axle, transmission, and bulkhead ID numbers all indicate Mid 70's Series 3 that's been put on a replacement galvanised chassis. Personally I think that someone has simply taken a Series 3 Landie and put a Series 2's V5 with it, changing just the number plate in an attempt to pass it off as an older historic vehicle and pay no Road Fund. I would have been perfectly happy if DVLA had put her on an age related plate rather than the 1963 plate. The only objection that they have flagged is that the chassis cannot be identified and therefore I can't prove that its up to spec.
I'm going to continue wirebrushing the dirt off the chassis in a hope that the chassis could have been stamped in a different location, however I'm rapidly coming to the end of my tether with the whole debacle and will likely just brake her and sell for parts. I'm not even sure if I have the will to start again with another one. I'll have to try and recover some funds before I can even consider it. Andy
 
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SO you got the LOG BOOK with the motor & then you decided to get in touch with DVLA:eek:o_O:confused:
The VIN on the log book didn't match the vehicle, so was told that I wouldn't get it through an MOT because they'd check. I'm learning that honesty doesn't pay. Perhaps I should have acquired a VIN plate numbered to match the log book and stamped the chassis myself. However the log book is for a 109 and the cars an 88. Plod probably would never notice, but in the event of an accident I bet the insurance company would. Andy
 
Guess I wasn't too clever either buying the bloody thing! It looks to me like my only option is to break her up and flog the bits. I hope in sharing this embarrassing fiasco that I make folks think a little bit harder before jumping in feet first. Andy
 
Whoever ringed it wasn't too clever if he couldn't even get the wheelbase right when fiddling the logbook. I'm surprised the DVLA don't want it seized and crushed.

Col
I agree.

I must admit I did a bit of speed reading and had missed a few bits of information in the first post.

This is a mad situation - nobody is going to be able to fix this with the DVLA.

If the vehicle has been sold as described then this should be reported to the police. May be there is more to the story - may be not. Perhaps in a busy workshop some kipper put the wrong number plate on the wrong Land Rover and now there's a 109 inch vehicle with an 88 inch log book!
 
Guess I wasn't too clever either buying the bloody thing! It looks to me like my only option is to break her up and flog the bits. I hope in sharing this embarrassing fiasco that I make folks think a little bit harder before jumping in feet first. Andy

Two big mistakes.
First, buying a vehicle sight unseen. Second, telling DVLA anything except change of keeper, change of engine number, or change of colour.
Anything else is always opening a can of worms.

Sorry, and well done for having the courage to publicise it, as a warning to others. Hope you will get a reasonable price for the bits.
 
I know what it's like when you see something for sale that you want, the heart rules the head so don't feel bad, it's just life. Don't break it yet either, OK, so it's got a shady id if it needs to be tested and the DVLA will give it a reg of some sort, live with that. On the other hand you might actually might make a profit by selling it in bits. If it was me, I would try to salvage something from this episode and get to keep an old mongrel landy on the road. How many of em have true pedigrees nowadays.

Col
 
I know what it's like when you see something for sale that you want, the heart rules the head so don't feel bad, it's just life. Don't break it yet either, OK, so it's got a shady id if it needs to be tested and the DVLA will give it a reg of some sort, live with that. On the other hand you might actually might make a profit by selling it in bits. If it was me, I would try to salvage something from this episode and get to keep an old mongrel landy on the road. How many of em have true pedigrees nowadays.

Col

Could be a plan. It might end up on a Q plate, or whatever the modern equivalent is.
 
Could be a plan. It might end up on a Q plate, or whatever the modern equivalent is.
Its already been stripped of its ID by DVLA and needs be re registered on a Q plate. Trouble is it would need to go through an IVA test and I don't see how its possible to get a Series Landie through the test. Plus its all additional expense - £55 to re register the vehicle. I need an official VIN plate from Land Rover. £200 for the test, transport from Chesterfield to Nottingham £40 for a re test. I'm told for an IVA test the vehicle needs to be first class and sadly she'd need a complete rebuild to be ready. Andy
 
Its already been stripped of its ID by DVLA and needs be re registered on a Q plate. Trouble is it would need to go through an IVA test and I don't see how its possible to get a Series Landie through the test. Plus its all additional expense - £55 to re register the vehicle. I need an official VIN plate from Land Rover. £200 for the test, transport from Chesterfield to Nottingham £40 for a re test. I'm told for an IVA test the vehicle needs to be first class and sadly she'd need a complete rebuild to be ready. Andy

I dont know what an IVA test is, but usually this stuff is not retrospective. So it only needs to work as it would when it was built, not to the standards of a modern car.
My mate has a vintage car, it only has brakes on the rear wheels. He drives it around all the time, perfectly legal, that is the way it was when it was made.
 
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