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LED headlights...again!

Discussion in 'Defender 90 / 110 / 130' started by steveyorks, Mar 3, 2018.

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  1. Turboman

    Turboman Rural Activist

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    LEDs are very expensive, and I fail to see the necessity of them on slow vehicles in a country with a 60 mph speed limit, and 70 on dual carriageways.
     
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    My headlights were shot, these were 120 quid, I like them, the light quality is great!
    Your opinion is noted, everyone has their own tastes....
    As to LEDs being gimmicks.....thats like saying round wheels are overrated! :p
     
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    Personally, I feel that vehicle lights should be standardised by law.
    There is excessive variety of colours, shapes and brightnesses on the roads now, and they dazzle oncoming drivers, and allow people to drive at dangerous speeds in the dark.
    And the blue tinge of some lights leads to confusion with emergency vehicles.
     
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    And Leds make it easier to see rabbits when out lamping....;)
     
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  5. bankz5152

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    lol I agree with you on the headlights...

    Though sideslights, indicators, brakelights - brighter, clearer especially in bright daylight.

    Ive seen older landys driving along, in bright sunshine you can barely see the indicators if at all.
     
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    They are fine on hand held spotlights used in the fields, just not sure about them on headlights, for the reasons already given.

    Indicators are another issue. I find the ones with the clear glass and orange bulbs are often invisible in bright sunshine, irrespective of the bulbs used.
     
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    I fitted projection LED headlamps to my landy a few months ago. Quite bright, not a massive improvement really over decent halogens, not a patch on the HID's on a modern car. My other cars HID's will project twice as far
    This sums up the basic differences in the three technologies, reasonably thorough test
     
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    Do you have anymore pictures of your 110? I have done a few searches but no look, It looks a very well put together and finished vehicle!
     
  9. bankz5152

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    Same, the exact reason I went for coloured ones.
     
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    Tom, this might be a long reply BUT those lights are NOT road legal, I will explain why.

    There are a lot of Chinese LED manufacturers conning people by putting fake markings on.

    In the UK basically vehicle headlights have to have an APPROVAL mark. OK some exceptions such as pre 1986 vehicles but for the vast majority of Defenders require headlights with a genuine APPROVAL mark

    An explanation of those markings.

    DOT = Department of Transport in the USA

    SAE = Society of Automobile Engineers.

    DOT regulations apply basically to the American continents and the regulation covering headlights is FMVSS 571.108 Since 1989 headlights have to be marked with the manufacturers name or trademark. No manufacturers name means those lights do not comply to US DOT regulations!

    DOT has a different light pattern to those in Europe where we use UNECE regulations.

    Now what side of the road do the US drive on? What side do we drive on in the UK?? Why should America have regulations for left hand traffic?

    In the UK our basic vehicle light regulations clearly state that headlights from 1986 must have an APPROVAL mark. The UNECE (United Nations Economic Commission for Europe) regulations govern the standards for vehicle lights. The UK is a signatory and participating country of the UNECE.


    "E9" = Country code for Spain
    "HCR-PL-E9" = Dip and main beam, plastic lens, country code for Spain
    "00 1062" = bit of guess work 00= original amendment, 1062 pretend approval number


    Looks good for an approval mark BUT it is not a genuine approval mark for the UK as at least 2 bits of required information, i.e. peak beam reference number and marking for left hand traffic.


    Now under UNECE unlike DOT it is not a legal requirement for manufacturers to put their names on their headlights. However 3 American LED headlight makers do for their European headlights.


    One easy way of telling if a LED headlight is there a manufacturers name on the headlight.

    Brendan
     
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    Thanks Brendan, i wasn’t saying your wrong or anything it is what I suspected all along. I expect this will purely be down the MOT station.
     
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    The fact that they may pass a UK MOT does not make them road legal.

    Yes the chances of getting pulled by the police for them. Most people (including certain traders) do not know what the relevance of a peak beam reference number is. However it is a legal requirement. A total reference number of 100 is maximum light output on front of the vehicle.

    Insurance loss adjusters are being trained to look for undeclared and illegal modifications. Illegal modifications = not road legal = invalid insurance??

    Brendan
     
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    Completely understand.
     
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    I upgraded my headlights a couple of weeks ago on my 90 using the method given by @The Mad Hat Man, similar to a boomslang harness. In combination with Osram nightbreaker bulbs the difference was amazing.
    While modifying the wireing I included extra fusible take offs in preparation to fit some rather nice spots I have kicking about, after driving at night last week I don't think I'm going to bother, no need, and just something else to go wrong.:D:D
     
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    I'm working on the assumption that my Britpart Lynxeye's have the correct info?
    I did go for a mainstream type and avoid the very cheap Chinese ones in the hope they would be compliant.o_O

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    The more I look into this the more confusing it gets :confused:

    E13 is Luxembourg but whether that means they were approved in Lux for export to the UK or approved FOR Lux I'm not sure.

    Some sources are saying lenses approved for the UK have an arrow indicating direction of dip.....no arrow means they dip to the right.

    I can't find a definitive source that doesn't look like the ramblings of a hallucinating mathematician
     
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    Not just me then.... I was going to take it for a headlamp alignment check at the garage before the MOT anyway, I'll see what they say.
     
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    I'd ask Britpart - the DA6282 page clearly states they are DOT & E-mark certified. I would think a company like Britpart would state "for off road use" if they are not road legal, but they also do not state that they are. They are not a small company anymore and somebody would presumably have looked at all this before they started importing them.
     
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