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Hottest day of the year (33 deg) & we are on the road to Derby (m1) & lo & behold there's a massive crash
involving 4 or 5 lorries, a van & a few cars. Roads closed north totally & south only 1 lane open. I hope
no-one was hurt, but the Police/Air ambulance presence looked grim. Anyway, sat for 2 hours moving a bit
at a time the temp gauge started to move up, not by much, but after having my heads done I wasn't taking
any risks. So off with the aircon, on with the heater on full tilt, this did keep the engine well Ok, me
& my mate however got a bit hot & bothered!

Got through the mess in around 2.5 hours & I reckon we did about 2 miles. On the way back from Derby we
got on at the junction after/before the smash. The southbound tailback was 26 miles, I know as I did it
on my odo. I bet there's still folk there now!

Nige


 
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:11:32 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Got through the mess in around 2.5 hours & I reckon we did about 2 miles. On the way back from Derby we
>got on at the junction after/before the smash. The southbound tailback was 26 miles, I know as I did it
>on my odo. I bet there's still folk there now!

im now starting to use the GPS to get to places without using the
motorways. the shortest route is usually so much more interesting!
It took me past the anderton boat lift the other day (went to st
helens), which made a nice break since id never seen it before.

I got stuck in a traffic jam for an hour (2 miles) on the M6 at
midnight on friday!. I could have got most of the way home via the A
roads by then.

 
> at a time the temp gauge started to move up, not by much, but after having my heads done I wasn't taking
> any risks. So off with the aircon, on with the heater on full tilt, this did keep the engine well Ok, me
> & my mate however got a bit hot & bothered!

LOL - yeah I had that in my wifes old car - got stuck in an accident on
the M4 for 1h (was only nipping out 10 mins down the road!), boiling hot
day last year - two screaming kids in the car and the needle touching
the red, so I turned the heater on full blast and boiled us a bit more!
Did reduce the ending temp to a sensible level tho. Lovely being
boiled on a boiling day isn't it?! Better than sitting on the hard
shoulder with a steaming car tho!

Matt
 
On 2006-07-17, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> im now starting to use the GPS to get to places without using the
> motorways. the shortest route is usually so much more interesting!
> It took me past the anderton boat lift the other day (went to st
> helens), which made a nice break since id never seen it before.

A friend of mine bought one of the first useful turn-by-turn routing
devices years ago, the Garmin Street Pilot, it cost him a lot of loot,
but he bought it for just that reason. He mounted it on his bike,
told it to avoid motorways, and used it like that all the time.

The current version of tomtom that I have has a "limited speed"
option, if yours has similar, try cranking that down to 45MPH or so,
it tends to take you along more interesting routes too. I use it in
the pinz as I'm lucky if it'll reach that speed ;-)

I wonder if there's a "route via petrol stations" option...

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Tom Woods came up with the following;:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:11:32 +0100, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Got through the mess in around 2.5 hours & I reckon we did about 2
>> miles. On the way back from Derby we got on at the junction after/before
>> the smash. The southbound tailback was 26 miles, I know as I did it on
>> my odo. I bet there's still folk there now!
>
> im now starting to use the GPS to get to places without using the
> motorways. the shortest route is usually so much more interesting!
> It took me past the anderton boat lift the other day (went to st
> helens), which made a nice break since id never seen it before.

It's one of our favourite pastimes when we're exploring places we've never
been. We're lucky enough to be in a different part of the country most
weekends (model car racing and motorbike Trials etc) and to 'wind down'
after a hectic day we go somewhere using Sat Nav on the limited speed, no
motorway, shortest route option ... amazing what you'll find. ;)


--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!



 
<snip>
: The current version of tomtom that I have has a "limited speed"
: option, if yours has similar, try cranking that down to 45MPH or so,
: it tends to take you along more interesting routes too. I use it in
: the pinz as I'm lucky if it'll reach that speed ;-)

Which model/release you got Ian?

Si


 
Nige wrote:

> Hottest day of the year (33 deg) & we are on the road to Derby (m1) & lo &
> behold there's a massive crash involving 4 or 5 lorries, a van & a few
> cars. Roads closed north totally & south only 1 lane open. I hope no-one
> was hurt, but the Police/Air ambulance presence looked grim. Anyway, sat
> for 2 hours moving a bit at a time the temp gauge started to move up, not
> by much, but after having my heads done I wasn't taking any risks. So off
> with the aircon, on with the heater on full tilt, this did keep the engine
> well Ok, me & my mate however got a bit hot & bothered!
>
> Got through the mess in around 2.5 hours & I reckon we did about 2 miles.
> On the way back from Derby we
> got on at the junction after/before the smash. The southbound tailback was
> 26 miles, I know as I did it on my odo. I bet there's still folk there
> now!
>
> Nige

Any car which is sold to a world market should be able to be in these
conditions indefinitely without moving off normal (and no model Landrovers
have a reputation here for overheating). Here for example this temperature
would be reached probably 150-200 days a year. How would you be in places
like the Arabian Gulf where the temperature is rarely below this and up to
twenty degrees higher? Rather than "Landies are Ace" I would be worrying
about which bit of the cooling system needs attention.
JD
 
JD wrote:
> Nige wrote:
>
>> Hottest day of the year (33 deg) & we are on the road to Derby
>> (m1) & lo & behold there's a massive crash involving 4 or 5
>> lorries, a van & a few cars. Roads closed north totally & south
>> only 1 lane open. I hope no-one was hurt, but the Police/Air
>> ambulance presence looked grim. Anyway, sat for 2 hours moving a
>> bit at a time the temp gauge started to move up, not by much, but
>> after having my heads done I wasn't taking any risks. So off with
>> the aircon, on with the heater on full tilt, this did keep the
>> engine well Ok, me & my mate however got a bit hot & bothered!
>>
>> Got through the mess in around 2.5 hours & I reckon we did about 2
>> miles. On the way back from Derby we
>> got on at the junction after/before the smash. The southbound
>> tailback was 26 miles, I know as I did it on my odo. I bet
>> there's still folk there now!
>>
>> Nige
>
> Any car which is sold to a world market should be able to be in
> these conditions indefinitely without moving off normal (and no
> model Landrovers have a reputation here for overheating). Here for
> example this temperature would be reached probably 150-200 days a
> year. How would you be in places like the Arabian Gulf where the
> temperature is rarely below this and up to twenty degrees higher?
> Rather than "Landies are Ace" I would be worrying about which bit
> of the cooling system needs attention.
> JD

Irony isn't something you do to shirts you know!

WHOOOOSH!


 
On 2006-07-17, GrnOval <[email protected]> wrote:

> Which model/release you got Ian?

V5 running on a Palm.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
agree - put the running hot down to old cars and inadequate
maintenance. I've currently running a V8's auto Defender, with A/C and
it doesn't twitch off 90 degrees celcius. It's not tricky and there's
no need to sweat it out on a hot day.


JD wrote:

>
> Any car which is sold to a world market should be able to be in these
> conditions indefinitely without moving off normal (and no model Landrovers
> have a reputation here for overheating). Here for example this temperature
> would be reached probably 150-200 days a year. How would you be in places
> like the Arabian Gulf where the temperature is rarely below this and up to
> twenty degrees higher? Rather than "Landies are Ace" I would be worrying
> about which bit of the cooling system needs attention.
> JD

 

"Paul - xxx" wrote :
>
> It's one of our favourite pastimes when we're exploring places we've never
> been. We're lucky enough to be in a different part of the country most
> weekends (model car racing and motorbike Trials etc) and to 'wind down'
> after a hectic day we go somewhere using Sat Nav on the limited speed, no
> motorway, shortest route option ... amazing what you'll find. ;)
>

Be careful with the "Shortest Route" option, we once ended up driving
through some rather unsavoury places in London using that. It literally took
a straight line and tried to follow it. It was some years ago so perhaps the
newer ones are better, have more sensible programming in this regard, I
haven't chanced it since.
We often go for the "No Motorways" option but usually its "Fastest" which it
often isn't as it tries to keep you on motorways as much as possible, even
when there is a perfectly direct "A" road that is a shorter route.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK


 
On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:07:05 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-07-17, GrnOval <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Which model/release you got Ian?
>
>V5 running on a Palm.

ive got tomtom running on a mio too. i didnt know about the limit
speed thing.
ive just been using 'shortest' rather than 'quickest' till now and it
usually makes it more interesting.
 
On 2006-07-17, Bob Hobden <[email protected]> wrote:

> We often go for the "No Motorways" option but usually its "Fastest" which it
> often isn't as it tries to keep you on motorways as much as possible, even
> when there is a perfectly direct "A" road that is a shorter route.

That's down to the faster assumed speed on a motorway, try the
"restricted speed" option, set to 60MPH which will treat A-roads the
same as motorways.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
> Be careful with the "Shortest Route" option, we once ended up driving
> through some rather unsavoury places in London using that. It literally took
> a straight line and tried to follow it. It was some years ago so perhaps the
> newer ones are better, have more sensible programming in this regard, I
> haven't chanced it since.
> We often go for the "No Motorways" option but usually its "Fastest" which it
> often isn't as it tries to keep you on motorways as much as possible, even
> when there is a perfectly direct "A" road that is a shorter route.

There is a tiny village around here where residents are getting really
****ed off because GPS systems are routing loads of motorists through
their village, down narrow lanes to Bristol airport instead of taking
the main road route. There was another story on the local news about
how GPS systems were routing people along this 'green lane' up a
mountain - apparently the road started off ok, but then turned into a
rocky pass and lots of motorists were getting stuck LOL.

I've had 3 GPS systems, and I never found any one of them better than
a map and a sense of direction. Each one of my GPS systems have taken
me down impossible to go down roads (especially in a van!). I once
remember in France the GPS had me coming off at the services, only
to go back on again at the other end of the services - instead of
just staying on the motorway??!! Another time my first GPS took
me on a huge diversion round really narrow country roads, only to
have me end up a few hundred yards further down the same road I was
on to start with! I keep thinking of buying another, but then I
remember how useless mine were and think I'd be better off
keeping the money!

Matt
 
On Tuesday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Matthew Maddock"
wrote:

> > Be careful with the "Shortest Route" option, we once ended up driving
> > through some rather unsavoury places in London using that. It literally took
> > a straight line and tried to follow it. It was some years ago so perhaps the
> > newer ones are better, have more sensible programming in this regard, I
> > haven't chanced it since.
> > We often go for the "No Motorways" option but usually its "Fastest" which it
> > often isn't as it tries to keep you on motorways as much as possible, even
> > when there is a perfectly direct "A" road that is a shorter route.
>
> There is a tiny village around here where residents are getting really
> ****ed off because GPS systems are routing loads of motorists through
> their village, down narrow lanes to Bristol airport instead of taking
> the main road route. There was another story on the local news about
> how GPS systems were routing people along this 'green lane' up a
> mountain - apparently the road started off ok, but then turned into a
> rocky pass and lots of motorists were getting stuck LOL.
>
> I've had 3 GPS systems, and I never found any one of them better than
> a map and a sense of direction. Each one of my GPS systems have taken
> me down impossible to go down roads (especially in a van!). I once
> remember in France the GPS had me coming off at the services, only
> to go back on again at the other end of the services - instead of
> just staying on the motorway??!! Another time my first GPS took
> me on a huge diversion round really narrow country roads, only to
> have me end up a few hundred yards further down the same road I was
> on to start with! I keep thinking of buying another, but then I
> remember how useless mine were and think I'd be better off
> keeping the money!

I've had good experiences with an ancient version of Autoroute, sorting
out options with the help of a good roadmap. It can put you onto a
decent alternative.

Ever since Microsoft took over Autoroute I've been seeing stories of
weird routing in the reviews. I sometimes wonder if the original
programmers were doing some tweaking of the routing model, based on some
instinctive feel for British geography and the way in which the lower-
grade roads vary in different places.

It's not even the sort of specific local knowledge which tells you
there's half a mile of potholed track along the riverbank. It's more
about knowing that that corner-cutting road in the Pennines is likely to
be really bad, because of the hills.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."
 
On or around Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:11:32 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Hottest day of the year (33 deg) & we are on the road to Derby (m1) & lo & behold there's a massive crash
>involving 4 or 5 lorries, a van & a few cars. Roads closed north totally & south only 1 lane open. I hope
>no-one was hurt, but the Police/Air ambulance presence looked grim. Anyway, sat for 2 hours moving a bit
>at a time the temp gauge started to move up, not by much, but after having my heads done I wasn't taking
>any risks. So off with the aircon, on with the heater on full tilt, this did keep the engine well Ok, me
>& my mate however got a bit hot & bothered!
>
>Got through the mess in around 2.5 hours & I reckon we did about 2 miles. On the way back from Derby we
>got on at the junction after/before the smash. The southbound tailback was 26 miles, I know as I did it
>on my odo. I bet there's still folk there now!

yikes.

Mind, there's scope for fun in traffic with landies, drop it into low-1 and
pootle at about 1 mph, thereby annoying all the cars behind :)

and if you get really bored, you can do that and then get out and walk
alongside steering it.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
On or around Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:41:16 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-07-17, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> im now starting to use the GPS to get to places without using the
>> motorways. the shortest route is usually so much more interesting!
>> It took me past the anderton boat lift the other day (went to st
>> helens), which made a nice break since id never seen it before.
>
>A friend of mine bought one of the first useful turn-by-turn routing
>devices years ago, the Garmin Street Pilot, it cost him a lot of loot,
>but he bought it for just that reason. He mounted it on his bike,
>told it to avoid motorways, and used it like that all the time.
>
>The current version of tomtom that I have has a "limited speed"
>option, if yours has similar, try cranking that down to 45MPH or so,
>it tends to take you along more interesting routes too. I use it in
>the pinz as I'm lucky if it'll reach that speed ;-)
>
>I wonder if there's a "route via petrol stations" option...

hehe. someone was doing an overlay for LPG stations.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink;
Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by;
Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710)
 
On or around 17 Jul 2006 15:10:02 -0700, "ChavScum"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>agree - put the running hot down to old cars and inadequate
>maintenance. I've currently running a V8's auto Defender, with A/C and
>it doesn't twitch off 90 degrees celcius. It's not tricky and there's
>no need to sweat it out on a hot day.
>

it's nearly always down to old radiators IME. There's really no answer
other than to replace 'em.

I had this on the 110 V8 - tried various flushing stuff and flushing it from
the tap and reverse flushing and so forth, and none of 'em had any effect,
it'd still overheat when running slowly uphill and suchlike, even with a
fixed fan. New rad on it and it never strayed above "normal" again.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
On 2006-07-18, Matthew Maddock <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've had 3 GPS systems, and I never found any one of them better than
> a map and a sense of direction.

The problem with a map and a sense of direction is that when you're in
a strange town in heavy traffic, keeping one eye on the map and one on
the road is harder than just using the GPS. If you miss a turn it
re-routes and you try again. Some think that they can handle reading
a map and driving without compromising their safety, but that just
makes me question their judgement even more, especially in a city with
lots of traffic and people in close proximity.

Also I've not seen a map with postcode-lookup facilities ;-)

Bad routing decisions are relatively minor IME, and I don't follow
what it says slavishly anyway, it's used as an aid to navigation, not
a dictator.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:02:04 +0200, Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>There is a tiny village around here where residents are getting really
>****ed off because GPS systems are routing loads of motorists through
>their village, down narrow lanes to Bristol airport instead of taking
>the main road route. There was another story on the local news about
>how GPS systems were routing people along this 'green lane' up a
>mountain - apparently the road started off ok, but then turned into a
>rocky pass and lots of motorists were getting stuck LOL.

i came back from wales using the gps the other week after coming up
against an unsigned diversion round a closed road.
It took us down some right dodgy single track lanes, some of which had
gates across that you had to stop and open! (it was like the laning
Lee_d took us on back in the spring!).
I was ready to stop and turn round at any time but they all remained
surfaced roads and eventually we got back to civilisation.
 
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