Series 3 Just stalled on idle

So Series 3 88 inch, laid up for a while but I got her running ok.

Few weeks back going up a hill it stopped all of a sudden.... I tried to start it and it did but no power/revs and then it stopped. I re-fuelled and it was ok.

It just done the same again sitting idle when I was about to pump water with it.. .I was carrying the hose away and I could hear it roam up and down.. then it stopped, I have got it started a few times but as soon as you get any revs it just stops.

The sound which then comes from under the bonnet (left) as you sit in it....is what I can only describe as a twang and metallic fan/spring sound winding down ? Any ideas ?

Petrol? 2286?

Sorry no Diesel 2.25

ER1C said:

Sorry no Diesel 2.25

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NFI then. Sorry.

Blocked fuel filter?
Air in the fuel line?
Faulty lift pump?

Are you getting fuel to the injectors when you turn over the engine?

Blocked fuel filter

+1 on fuel filter. Obstruction in air intake.

Thanks, I guess that's the whirring, or rather sucking sound then... I shall have a look.. it starts every time and its a new filter so dunno why it has an issue all of a sudden.

Did you bleed it after installing the new filter?

Crack off the injectors and turn it over in 5 second bursts to check there is diesel at the injectors.

Be prepared though for draining the battery and keep the turning over short so as not to wear the starter. The engine might start and run. It did on mine. Quickly tightening up the injectors should help purge the air. Assuming of course that the air isn't coming in from a fuel line.

viamphie said:

Did you bleed it after installing the new filter?

Crack off the injectors and turn it over in 5 second bursts to check there is diesel at the injectors.

Be prepared though for draining the battery and keep the turning over short so as not to wear the starter. The engine might start and run. It did on mine. Quickly tightening up the injectors should help purge the air. Assuming of course that the air isn't coming in from a fuel line.

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If you change the filter properly, and bleed the filter correctly, you wont need to bleed the pump afterwards! Should start straight up.

Turboman said:

If you change the filter properly, and bleed the filter correctly, you wont need to bleed the pump afterwards! Should start straight up.

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Agreed. If?

viamphie said:

Agreed. If?

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If you don't, crack the bleed screws on the governor housing on Injector pump, and bleed from there. You shouldn't have to crack injector unions if the pump hasn't turned.

But I'm assuming it has given that it has ran a few times.

viamphie said:

But I'm assuming it has given that it has ran a few times.

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Doubt if it would run at all if there was air in the pump.

Touché

This is where my knowledge bows down to a greater power

I have a defender engine in mine so perhaps my issue was unique. I had to bleed the pump and then No3 injector.

viamphie said:

Touché

This is where my knowledge bows down to a greater power

I have a defender engine in mine so perhaps my issue was unique. I had to bleed the pump and then No3 injector.

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Tdi is different, they shouldn't need bleeding after filter change, Bosch system is different.

With CAV filter and pump, normally if there is the tiniest bit of air in the system at startup it just dies, and doesn't restart until bled out.
Bleeding the injector pipes, as you describe, is a good technique, but only needed when the pipes have been removed, or the engine turned with air in the pump.

My first job when I left school in 1979 was apprentice diesel fitter, worked with these a lot. And I think I have had at least one CAV equipped vehicle continuously ever since. Two at the moment!

Yeah mine is a 2.5 na 12j.

Like I said, I bow down. Big time

You'll get no argument from me

viamphie said:

Yeah mine is a 2.5 na 12j.

Like I said, I bow down. Big time

You'll get no argument from me

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Not really a biggie knowing all about something completely obsolete!

And if it is a 2.5na, it aint a Defender engine, is it. Defender have Tdi. Your 12j is from a Ninety, or even from a taxi, some are. And it does have CAV injection, so you must have turned the engine after filter change, and put air into the pipes. And maybe OP has too!

It transpired that the problem was a loose jubilee near the tank. I bought it like that ( one of the reasons it was cheap-ish).

I was told it was from an '86 defender 90 engine. That's what I order the spares as. So now I'm proper confused.

Anyway I should have just used this;

viamphie said:

It transpired that the problem was a loose jubilee near the tank. I bought it like that ( one of the reasons it was cheap-ish).

I was told it was from an '86 defender 90 engine. That's what I order the spares as. So now I'm proper confused.

Anyway I should have just used this;

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Yes, anything on the suction side of low pressure system will draw in air.

No such thing as an 86 Defender, they were not made until 1990. And they have Tdi engines. Your engine came from a Landrover Ninety, same as I have. They have 2.5na, or 2.5td, or 2.5 petrol or v8. Some early ones have 2 1/4 petrol or diesel, like series.

Parts people are humouring you!