Its Been a Year Now - So whats the Damage??

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Saint.V8

Dyed-in-the-wool 100% RR Junkie
Full Member
So....

A year after purchasing the L322 I thought I would summerise my first year of L322 ownership so you guys can either laugh or cry with me!
Purchased the 2003 4.4 L322 Vogue in Adriatic Blue (Non-descript Blue according to some) exactly a year ago with a years MOT and a months Tax.

After a lengthy test drive and a good check over for all things that can and do go wrong, I made the purchase for just £7.25k.

Picked it up a couple of days later after than bank released the funds and made my first journey in my new L322 - which was to the petrol station!
The first day was one of joy and woe, after a few hours bombing around doing a few errands, I took the girlfriend out for her first taste of the L322 - Bells and whistles, ABS/HDC/EAS fault....the world falls out of my backside, I pull over and switch off....restart and it has gone, panic over so I turn round to head home, it faults again....OK now I am really gutted, truly gutted almost to the point of tears....have I just bought a vehicle with a problem?

Research took me down a dark path of Steering Angle Sensors, ABS Sensors, Yaw Sensors, a myriad of EAS faults. Was I looking at a potentially expensive bill??

Went back out to the car, started her up, no faults, turned the steering wheel and the fault appeared, so looks like it could be the Steering Angle Sensor then, after my research I knew this involved a lot of work to remove the steering coloumn and the replacement SAS unit would need to be coded to the vehicles ABS and DSC systems which would be a Dealer job to plug into the T4....I sat there in the car for a few minutes contemplating fate and the potential bill I was facing on my very first day of ownership, maybe I should have stuck with the DSE, I mean it only had a handful of issues, no major ones, just Blend motors and a few niggles!

The L322 had been a total impulse purchase, a real punt in the dark....I had driven a few previously in my search for another Range Rover before my DSE, but the DSE was at the time the right car at the right price as the L322 was a tad out of my range at that time! Had I made a huge mistake when facing a repair bill the likes of what I was looking at for the Steering Angle Sensor??

Further research was needed, and I stumbled across a post on the 'net about ABS sensor wiring getting chaffed through when the steering is on full lock due to the amount of 'loose' wiring on the sensor and bad routing. It was worth a punt to see if that was the issue!

Outside once again, I jacked up the car and Took the front wheels off. A quick poke about revealed exactly what I had hoped for - one of the ABS sensor wires had indeed been worn to the point of almost complete breakage, so when you turned the wheel it was enough to cause a disconnection and throw the fault. A temporary repair was made and a new sensor was purchased from LR the very next day....I prayed to those who would listen that day I can tell you!

I won't hark on about all the other repairs I have done as they have all been documented on here, but here is a brief summary of my first year with the L322:

Repairs/Maintenance:
(all prices are approximate as I don't have the invoices to hand)
2 Front ABS Sensors - £47 (LR Dealer)
EAS Recalibration - £75 (LR Delaer)
Full Set of Brake Pads and Sensors - £120 (Delphi CAFCO)
Wheel Nut Removal - close to £200 (long story)
4 New Wheel Nuts - £28 (LR Dealer)
Thermostat - £68 (GSF Car Parts Genuine Behr Part))
Radiator - £170 (Island 4x4 Genuine Behr/Hella part)
Fuel Pump - £160 (GSF Car Parts - X5 Fuel Pump)
Water Pump - £85 (CAFCO)
Gearbox Oil and Filter change - £140 (Oil from VW, filter/gasket/O Ring LR Dealer)
ABS Short Harness Repair - £30 (LR Dealer)
ABS ECU Replacement - £257 (Ebay brand New LR Part in Box)
ABS ECU Recoding at Local Indy - £50 (wanted to charge me £30, but gave him extra as he was a decent bloke)
4 New Tyres - £476 (Iota Accelera Cheap as Chips)
Fluids - £100 (Coolant, Oil etc)

Tooling (main):
RSW All Comms - £186
3 Tonne Trolley Jack - £120
12 Tonne Bottle Jack - £30
Ramps - £45
Torx Set - £26

Odds:
Load Space Cover - £50 Ebay
Wraparound Bull Bar - £41 Ebay

Day to Day Fueling Costs:
Number of Fill Ups - 69
Average MPG - 15.44
Best MPG - 17.31
Worst MPG - 12.64
Avg Miles Per Tank - 220.4
Total Miles Covered - 15207.3
Most Miles from a Tank Full - 260.1
Least Miles from a Tank Full - 128.2
Avg Fill Amount - 64.9 litres
Total Fuel Used - 4478.16 Litres
Largest Fill - 75.02 Litres
Avg Cost - £48.64 per fill
Total Fuel Spend - £3356.25
Max Single Fill Cost - £59.56

So for the year on:
Maintenance/Repairs - £2006.00
Tools (Main) - £407
Odds and Sods - £91
Fuel - £3356.25
Grand Total for the Year - £5860.25 (£488.36 per month incl. Fuel) (Not incl. Insurance - £480/year or Tax £270/year)

Not a million miles from what I was working it out to cost when I bought it, but I hope the above figures will give those some insight into potential running costs for an L322 over a year on LPG with only what could be minor niggles....

Remember I spanner the majority of my repairs and it has only been to LR/Indy for the ABS Recode and also the first EAS Recalibration before I got the All Comms!

If you can't spanner your own repairs, consider LR Hourly Rate at £110/hr or an Indy at around £60/hr and the bills could easily be double or triple my yearly maintenance costs.....
 
If you bought from dealer the first fault should have been fixed by them.

It also shows the L322 to be as unreliable as the p38 I know of one l322 on 3 transfer boxes and it does little gentle off road as in dry field at walking pace.
 
St.
I think your costs have been entirely reasonable. You have had some unusual RR problems you probably wouldn't have had in something else, but all ok.

If you also advise what current mileage is that will help understand reliability also and a cost/mile to run including depreciation and then it may look better.

It will never be a Toyota but cost/mile will be ok?
Thanks for the update..I'll do the same at 1yr
 
St.
I think your costs have been entirely reasonable. You have had some unusual RR problems you probably wouldn't have had in something else, but all ok.

If you also advise what current mileage is that will help understand reliability also and a cost/mile to run including depreciation and then it may look better.

It will never be a Toyota but cost/mile will be ok?
Thanks for the update..I'll do the same at 1yr
Bought at 137k miles and has now covered just over 153k miles

Cost is around 22/23p per mile on LPG.

I don't think those costs are to unresonable - if it was all on Petrol, then that would be a different matter :D
 
So....

Grand Total for the Year - £5860.25 (£488.36 per month incl. Fuel) (Not incl. Insurance - £480/year or Tax £270/year)

Not a million miles from what I was working it out to cost when I bought it, but I hope the above figures will give those some insight into potential running costs for an L322 over a year on LPG with only what could be minor niggles....

Remember I spanner the majority of my repairs and it has only been to LR/Indy for the ABS Recode and also the first EAS Recalibration before I got the All Comms!

If you can't spanner your own repairs, consider LR Hourly Rate at £110/hr or an Indy at around £60/hr and the bills could easily be double or triple my yearly maintenance costs.....

:eek::eek:Ouch!!!!
 
St.

but it is your overall ownership cost/mile that will be the real issue.

I think it will look quite favourable. You have done 16000miles in one year.

Best wishes.
 
Seems very reasonable to me, although as you say, if you couldn't do your own spannering the story would be very different....

Will do a similar report on mine after a year!

Cheers,

Jerry
 
Part and parcel of a 10 year old Range rover maybe, I haven't spent a 10th of that on a 27 year old MR2 that I've owned from new, a fifth of that on a 10 year old Transit and a 26 year old R11:)

+1
I had an Audi A4 for 6 years that I'd did big miles on and all I ever did was oil & filter changes every 10k, plugs 30k and tyres. It had a new timing belt on it when I got it and 1 set of pads all round.

Anything with the green oval tends to have a emptying effect on your wallet but RR does seem to cost a bit more with the electrical issues. Saying that in the last year on my 110 all it has needed is a service, everything else has been fine
 
not too terrible at all. had mine since jan 2012, only done 9000 miles in that time, so she is on 69000 now, new water pump, new air compressor and nearside suspension unit, oil filter plugs and rocker gaskets. and the dreaded alternator. and a rear shelf. spent about a grand on her in total in that time. plus all the love lavished on he old girl. petrol dont count to me , as its a V8, not a micra.
all in all im very happy with the L322,still love the classics, miles in front of the kiss of death P38s.
 
SaintV8, truly excellent post and a perfect example of what forums like this are here to do. This is a truly insightful look into year 1 with a L322 and what it involves, and thanks for taking the time to put it together - I imagine you're a man who likes spread sheets... ;)

Just for my own curiosity, whilst some of those repairs/maintenance items are consumables (tyres, brake pads, etc) some were definitely not (thermostat, radiator, water pump, fuel pump, etc). Do you anticipate year two with your L322 being easier on the wallet, or do you expect to be replacing other items of a similar nature to the above?

The reason I ask is that my own P38 (not a L322 admittedly) most definitely has niggles that I'm working to put right, some more complex than others, and it would be heartening to think that once something is fixed, it stays fixed for a reasonable time/mileage.
 
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SaintV8, truly excellent post and a perfect example of what forums like this are here to do. This is a truly insightful look into year 1 with a L322 and what it involves, and thanks for taking the time to put it together - I imagine you're a man who likes spread sheets... ;)

Just for my own curiosity, whilst some of those repairs/maintenance items are consumables (tyres, brake pads, etc) some were definitely not (thermostat, radiator, water pump, fuel pump, etc). Do you anticipate year two with your L322 being easier on the wallet, or do you expect to be replacing other items of a similar nature to the above?

The reason I ask is that my own P38 (not a L322 admittedly) most definitely has niggles that I'm working to put right, some more complex than others, and it would be heartening to think that once something is fixed, it stays fixed for a reasonable time/mileage.
It does, but there is always something else to go wrong:mad:
 
Can I just ask one thing that shocked me more than all of that money you have spent.....why did you put **** cheap as chips tyres on a nice (heavy) motor like the L322?
 
I've had my TD6 for 2 1/2 years in that time it's had the following
inline fuel pump £150
Turbo baffle heat shield £10
1 new injector £300 fitted
New EAS compressor £300
2 lower rear bushes £20
Set of brake pads and overhaul kits for all calipers £100 aprox
New ABS sensor can't remember how much
New rear discs and handbrake shoes £120 fitted
2 new headlight ecu £90 eBay
Set of tyres nexen roadian £400
Couple of services at dealers £250 each
New front prop joint replaced free by Landrover
So it's coming in round the £2000 mark for 2 1/2 years
I do the bulk of my own maintenance just depends how busy with other stuff I am , own an all comms aswell for code reading etc.
 
I've had my TD6 for 2 1/2 years in that time it's had the following
inline fuel pump £150
Turbo baffle heat shield £10
1 new injector £300 fitted
New EAS compressor £300
2 lower rear bushes £20
Set of brake pads and overhaul kits for all calipers £100 aprox
New ABS sensor can't remember how much
New rear discs and handbrake shoes £120 fitted
2 new headlight ecu £90 eBay
Set of tyres nexen roadian £400
Couple of services at dealers £250 each
New front prop joint replaced free by Landrover
So it's coming in round the £2000 mark for 2 1/2 years
I do the bulk of my own maintenance just depends how busy with other stuff I am , own an all comms aswell for code reading etc.


maybe I can ask you aswell, why did you put cheap tyres on it?
 
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