id break their Legs

hiya,

just thought id pass this on to let everyone be aware and a little
more safety conscious with their landies.... no matter how old

a mate of a mate,, just spent 2 years re-building a series 2a at home.

he took it for testing(which it passed) on monday, and on friday it
was gone....

they had obviously been waiting for him to finish it, but to add
insult to injury, the newspapers reported the theft ( which is most
commendable,) but,,,, they also reported that hed just spen 4 grand on
it.

so, lowly 2a`s are obviously on someones shopping list.

think, after ive re-built mine ill construct a 3/4 inch steel chamber
to park it in at night.

andy

"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> hiya,
>
> just thought id pass this on to let everyone be aware and a little
> more safety conscious with their landies.... no matter how old
>
> a mate of a mate,, just spent 2 years re-building a series 2a at home.
>
> he took it for testing(which it passed) on monday, and on friday it
> was gone....
>
> they had obviously been waiting for him to finish it, but to add
> insult to injury, the newspapers reported the theft ( which is most
> commendable,) but,,,, they also reported that hed just spen 4 grand on
> it.
>
> so, lowly 2a`s are obviously on someones shopping list.
>
> think, after ive re-built mine ill construct a 3/4 inch steel chamber
> to park it in at night.
>
> andy

Easy theft nowadays with all the security & having to break into folks homes for the bloody keys etc.
Best way would be to remove the middle dizzy lead (I used to do this inside my garage with my R5 Turbo) &
also get a removable coil or electronic ignition system. I have seen mates (in the early 90's) actually
chain down Cosworths & such with massive concrete blocks with huge chains over the driveshafts etc. I
even know of a bloke who had a car nicked from his drive over a locked gate with a a hiab onto the back
of a truck..

The moral of the story for me, was to get CCTV & use it., My wife got an Audi A4 Convertible (one of
those cars that could cost £20k or £65k & look very nearly the same) & we got burgled after 10 days. They
didn't get bugger all as we aren't daft & the keys are never in the house if we aren't. the CCTV got them
on the return visit & the Police knew exactly who they where from the tape. A VERY good IR (see in the
dark) CCTV system (single camera) in you own home wont cost more than £300 inc TV & VCR these days.

If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you you the full details. No, I'm
not involved, but this **** is bloody annoying.

Ta

Nige

I suppose I had better not make mine too decent looking then and leave it
looking like a wreck.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hiya,
>
> just thought id pass this on to let everyone be aware and a little
> more safety conscious with their landies.... no matter how old
>
> a mate of a mate,, just spent 2 years re-building a series 2a at home.
>
> he took it for testing(which it passed) on monday, and on friday it
> was gone....
>
> they had obviously been waiting for him to finish it, but to add
> insult to injury, the newspapers reported the theft ( which is most
> commendable,) but,,,, they also reported that hed just spen 4 grand on
> it.
>
> so, lowly 2a`s are obviously on someones shopping list.
>
> think, after ive re-built mine ill construct a 3/4 inch steel chamber
> to park it in at night.
>
> andy

In article <[email protected]>,
nigel.inceNO****[email protected] says...
> If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you you the full details.

Hi.

I'm intruiged - can you provide details of the system you had set up
please?

Also, did the local plod use the video to find out who it was and then
prove it was them some other way, or did they use the video as evidence
in court? AIUI, video evidence from your own CCTV system is next to
useless for a court as you need to prove things like chain of evidence,
quality is usually not good enough etc. However for the police to use it
themselves and use other evidence to catch said crims is prolly great.

Anyone here fitted/had fitted a tracker? I'm interested, but I don't
know which one to go for etc.

Thanks!
Aled.

"Aled" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> nigel.inceNO****[email protected] says...
> > If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you you the full details.
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm intruiged - can you provide details of the system you had set up
> please?
>
> Also, did the local plod use the video to find out who it was and then
> prove it was them some other way, or did they use the video as evidence
> in court? AIUI, video evidence from your own CCTV system is next to
> useless for a court as you need to prove things like chain of evidence,
> quality is usually not good enough etc. However for the police to use it
> themselves and use other evidence to catch said crims is prolly great.
>
> Anyone here fitted/had fitted a tracker? I'm interested, but I don't
> know which one to go for etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Aled.

They didn't use it as evidence in court, they came to my house & I showed them the very clear images &
they knew who it was instantly. They asked me to keep the tape but never asked for it. The crooks where
locked up with loads of other evidence I believe, but the Police can see who it is straight away.

The system is very simple & also very effective. It consists of a high quality wide area range PIR so if
anyone comes into the front garden at all it instantly turns on the video I have hidden upstairs through
a little box of tricks that comes with the system. The camera is tuned in to the AV channel of the VCR &
has a built in Infra Red lamp. It has a 30-60 second buffer too, so if someone comes & hides behind a car
etc it continues to record for 30-60 seconds, then if they venture out it will instantly start recording
them. The pictures are very good indeed & I have it rigged up through a portable TV in my bedroom so I
can just turn it on to see who's there. It's useful for other stuff too, like couriers who say they have
been at a certain time & don't show up etc! The first reason we had it installed was to stop idiots using
my garden as a cut through, then for security purposes including my daughter playing in our garden &
generally looking after the cars etc. The shortcomings are you can only control one camera per unit. But
for £50 for a VCR you might as well have one front & one back. The cameras not one of these cheapo look
like a PIR efforts, it looks like a decent camera. If anyone needs a picture of the PIR/Camera, please
feel free to a-mail me.

The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!

Cheers

Nige

>
>The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
>installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!
>
>Cheers
>
>Nige

What make/model do you have and where did you source it? I'm on the
lookout for something similar (although I want to feed a PC-based PVR
ideally). I can then have video bursts upfed for remote viewing (and
of course nobody can nick the evidence). I've sorted the PC end of
it, and proved the concept with a crappy webcam.



--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
> >installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Nige
>
> What make/model do you have and where did you source it? I'm on the
> lookout for something similar (although I want to feed a PC-based PVR
> ideally). I can then have video bursts upfed for remote viewing (and
> of course nobody can nick the evidence). I've sorted the PC end of
> it, and proved the concept with a crappy webcam.

Just nipped into the loft, the place I got it all from is www.henrys.co.uk they have some good stuff &
it's not too much brass. There is that much changed since I bought mine ( Last November) it's worth a
good look. The phone staff seemed to know what I wanted too.

Ta

Nige

On Monday, in article
<[email protected]>
[email protected] "Aled" wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
> > This fits with stuff I've heard. It's pretty hard to fake a videotape,
> > once you get past date/time issues, but stuff like chain of evidence can
> > be a big problem if it's the main evidence.
>
> Indeed, not so much that they aren't sure that the images are not true,
> it's just that they can't prove it. The answer was what I was expecting
> to be honest.
>
> > On the other hand, if a jury sees the tape, that will pretty well settle
> > things, as well as annoying the judge with all the timewasting.
>
> Yeah, biggest problem is getting it to the jury.
>
> > But it really needs to be a good-quality image. And that's something
> > the Police and Home Office want to improve on. While sticking to
> > videotape, rather than having the evidence pass through a computer.
>
> Really? Hrm, any initiatives or info on this?
>
> > Film cameras are still preferred for some of the same reasons. A strip
> > of 35mm film gives a lot of context for each image -- they're connected
> > in a way digital images are not.
>
> This has been discussed at length on a very technical mailing list I'm
> on recently. One of the guys who was talking there owns fotopic.net and
> has appeared on the Beeb a few times.
>
> The response was that neither of the two technologies are any better
> than each other, however people place less trust (incorrectly) in
> digital images. To be able to edit an image without detection requires
> some serious knowledge of photography, and that applies to both.

Well, my sources are a couple of Police Officers I know, both now fairly
recently retired. If somebody was caught shoplifting, their soliciter
would very strongly advise them to plead guilty if there was a video.
As for photographs, it wasn't so much the faking of the actual image as
the context. You had a strip of negatives which meant you could show a
sequence.

But partly it is a case of perceptions. After all, people see all the
trickery in movies, and they know it's done by computers. And they hear
the fuss about digital copying of music, and how the copy sounds
identical to the original.

I think we do get a biased image of the video tech from TV -- the crap
video on Crimewatch is there partly because it is so poor.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."

"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> hiya,
>
> just thought id pass this on to let everyone be aware and a little
> more safety conscious with their landies.... no matter how old
>
> a mate of a mate,, just spent 2 years re-building a series 2a at home.
>
> he took it for testing(which it passed) on monday, and on friday it
> was gone....
>
> they had obviously been waiting for him to finish it, but to add
> insult to injury, the newspapers reported the theft ( which is most
> commendable,) but,,,, they also reported that hed just spen 4 grand on
> it.
>
> so, lowly 2a`s are obviously on someones shopping list.
>
> think, after ive re-built mine ill construct a 3/4 inch steel chamber
> to park it in at night.
>
> andy

Easy theft nowadays with all the security & having to break into folks homes for the bloody keys etc.
Best way would be to remove the middle dizzy lead (I used to do this inside my garage with my R5 Turbo) &
also get a removable coil or electronic ignition system. I have seen mates (in the early 90's) actually
chain down Cosworths & such with massive concrete blocks with huge chains over the driveshafts etc. I
even know of a bloke who had a car nicked from his drive over a locked gate with a a hiab onto the back
of a truck..

The moral of the story for me, was to get CCTV & use it., My wife got an Audi A4 Convertible (one of
those cars that could cost £20k or £65k & look very nearly the same) & we got burgled after 10 days. They
didn't get bugger all as we aren't daft & the keys are never in the house if we aren't. the CCTV got them
on the return visit & the Police knew exactly who they where from the tape. A VERY good IR (see in the
dark) CCTV system (single camera) in you own home wont cost more than £300 inc TV & VCR these days.

If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you you the full details. No, I'm
not involved, but this **** is bloody annoying.

Ta

Nige

I suppose I had better not make mine too decent looking then and leave it
looking like a wreck.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> hiya,
>
> just thought id pass this on to let everyone be aware and a little
> more safety conscious with their landies.... no matter how old
>
> a mate of a mate,, just spent 2 years re-building a series 2a at home.
>
> he took it for testing(which it passed) on monday, and on friday it
> was gone....
>
> they had obviously been waiting for him to finish it, but to add
> insult to injury, the newspapers reported the theft ( which is most
> commendable,) but,,,, they also reported that hed just spen 4 grand on
> it.
>
> so, lowly 2a`s are obviously on someones shopping list.
>
> think, after ive re-built mine ill construct a 3/4 inch steel chamber
> to park it in at night.
>
> andy

>
>The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
>installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!
>
>Cheers
>
>Nige

What make/model do you have and where did you source it? I'm on the
lookout for something similar (although I want to feed a PC-based PVR
ideally). I can then have video bursts upfed for remote viewing (and
of course nobody can nick the evidence). I've sorted the PC end of
it, and proved the concept with a crappy webcam.



--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> This fits with stuff I've heard. It's pretty hard to fake a videotape,
> once you get past date/time issues, but stuff like chain of evidence can
> be a big problem if it's the main evidence.

Indeed, not so much that they aren't sure that the images are not true,
it's just that they can't prove it. The answer was what I was expecting
to be honest.

> On the other hand, if a jury sees the tape, that will pretty well settle
> things, as well as annoying the judge with all the timewasting.

Yeah, biggest problem is getting it to the jury.

> But it really needs to be a good-quality image. And that's something
> the Police and Home Office want to improve on. While sticking to
> videotape, rather than having the evidence pass through a computer.

Really? Hrm, any initiatives or info on this?

> Film cameras are still preferred for some of the same reasons. A strip
> of 35mm film gives a lot of context for each image -- they're connected
> in a way digital images are not.

This has been discussed at length on a very technical mailing list I'm
on recently. One of the guys who was talking there owns fotopic.net and
has appeared on the Beeb a few times.

The response was that neither of the two technologies are any better
than each other, however people place less trust (incorrectly) in
digital images. To be able to edit an image without detection requires
some serious knowledge of photography, and that applies to both.

I do konw of people who've had digital images accepted as evidence in
court, and ISTR there was a camera out now which digitally signs the
image before storing it to the card to address this very problem.

Cheers,
Aled.

"Aled" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> nigel.inceNO****[email protected] says...
> > If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you you the full details.
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm intruiged - can you provide details of the system you had set up
> please?
>
> Also, did the local plod use the video to find out who it was and then
> prove it was them some other way, or did they use the video as evidence
> in court? AIUI, video evidence from your own CCTV system is next to
> useless for a court as you need to prove things like chain of evidence,
> quality is usually not good enough etc. However for the police to use it
> themselves and use other evidence to catch said crims is prolly great.
>
> Anyone here fitted/had fitted a tracker? I'm interested, but I don't
> know which one to go for etc.
>
> Thanks!
> Aled.

They didn't use it as evidence in court, they came to my house & I showed them the very clear images &
they knew who it was instantly. They asked me to keep the tape but never asked for it. The crooks where
locked up with loads of other evidence I believe, but the Police can see who it is straight away.

The system is very simple & also very effective. It consists of a high quality wide area range PIR so if
anyone comes into the front garden at all it instantly turns on the video I have hidden upstairs through
a little box of tricks that comes with the system. The camera is tuned in to the AV channel of the VCR &
has a built in Infra Red lamp. It has a 30-60 second buffer too, so if someone comes & hides behind a car
etc it continues to record for 30-60 seconds, then if they venture out it will instantly start recording
them. The pictures are very good indeed & I have it rigged up through a portable TV in my bedroom so I
can just turn it on to see who's there. It's useful for other stuff too, like couriers who say they have
been at a certain time & don't show up etc! The first reason we had it installed was to stop idiots using
my garden as a cut through, then for security purposes including my daughter playing in our garden &
generally looking after the cars etc. The shortcomings are you can only control one camera per unit. But
for £50 for a VCR you might as well have one front & one back. The cameras not one of these cheapo look
like a PIR efforts, it looks like a decent camera. If anyone needs a picture of the PIR/Camera, please
feel free to a-mail me.

The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!

Cheers

Nige

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
> >installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Nige
>
> What make/model do you have and where did you source it? I'm on the
> lookout for something similar (although I want to feed a PC-based PVR
> ideally). I can then have video bursts upfed for remote viewing (and
> of course nobody can nick the evidence). I've sorted the PC end of
> it, and proved the concept with a crappy webcam.

I'll get all the info tomorrow if that's OK, I'm just off out to a wedding. The place I got if from do
allsorts of stuff like this.

Ta

Nige

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >The costs where £200 for the camera/passive & control box, £50 for a VCR & £59 for a portable TV! I
> >installed it myself in a storm as I knew it was needed & within 48 hours it had these chavs on film!!!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Nige
>
> What make/model do you have and where did you source it? I'm on the
> lookout for something similar (although I want to feed a PC-based PVR
> ideally). I can then have video bursts upfed for remote viewing (and
> of course nobody can nick the evidence). I've sorted the PC end of
> it, and proved the concept with a crappy webcam.

Just nipped into the loft, the place I got it all from is www.henrys.co.uk they have some good stuff &
it's not too much brass. There is that much changed since I bought mine ( Last November) it's worth a
good look. The phone staff seemed to know what I wanted too.

Ta

Nige

On Sunday, in article <[email protected]>
nigel.inceNO****[email protected] "Nige" wrote:

> "Aled" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > nigel.inceNO****[email protected] says...
> > > If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you
> you the full details.
> >
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'm intruiged - can you provide details of the system you had set up
> > please?
> >
> > Also, did the local plod use the video to find out who it was and then
> > prove it was them some other way, or did they use the video as evidence
> > in court? AIUI, video evidence from your own CCTV system is next to
> > useless for a court as you need to prove things like chain of evidence,
> > quality is usually not good enough etc. However for the police to use it
> > themselves and use other evidence to catch said crims is prolly great.
> >
> > Anyone here fitted/had fitted a tracker? I'm interested, but I don't
> > know which one to go for etc.
>
> They didn't use it as evidence in court, they came to my house & I showed them
> the very clear images &
> they knew who it was instantly. They asked me to keep the tape but never asked
> for it. The crooks where
> locked up with loads of other evidence I believe, but the Police can see who it
> is straight away.

This fits with stuff I've heard. It's pretty hard to fake a videotape,
once you get past date/time issues, but stuff like chain of evidence can
be a big problem if it's the main evidence.

On the other hand, if a jury sees the tape, that will pretty well settle
things, as well as annoying the judge with all the timewasting.

But it really needs to be a good-quality image. And that's something
the Police and Home Office want to improve on. While sticking to
videotape, rather than having the evidence pass through a computer.

Film cameras are still preferred for some of the same reasons. A strip
of 35mm film gives a lot of context for each image -- they're connected
in a way digital images are not.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."

In article <[email protected]>,
nigel.inceNO****[email protected] says...
> If anyone would like info, let me know on here or e-mail & I'll give you you the full details.

Hi.

I'm intruiged - can you provide details of the system you had set up
please?

Also, did the local plod use the video to find out who it was and then
prove it was them some other way, or did they use the video as evidence
in court? AIUI, video evidence from your own CCTV system is next to
useless for a court as you need to prove things like chain of evidence,
quality is usually not good enough etc. However for the police to use it
themselves and use other evidence to catch said crims is prolly great.

Anyone here fitted/had fitted a tracker? I'm interested, but I don't
know which one to go for etc.

Thanks!
Aled.