I thought this was impossible...?

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Havin known Joe (at Emmotts) fer ages I KNOW he wouldn't do anything "IFFY" I think what hes saying is if you have a "duff" speedo he will supply a "Recon" one that will "Read" your BECM & set the replacement Speedo to YOUR OWN BECM's CORRECT Mileage.
 
Sounds dodgy as to me!

"Yes my *cough* 200,000 mile Range Rover clocks have failed! Damn"

"Hi there, can I get some new clocks please? Mileage? Yes, it's done 85,000 miles. You'll send me new clocks through? Great, thanks"

Hmm....
 
I considered long and hard before eventually deciding to post up on this thread. As many of you will be all to aware of the criticism i typically face on every post i seem to make and sadly this now means i am really now a quite infrequent visitor here and am certainly quite select on offering any further contribution to this forum.

However i certainly cannot stand by and watch any member potentially be ripped of for the want of bit a little bit of the knowledge i happen to posses.

The information i am about to provide may well have been of been of very high value to anyone of iffy tendencies 10 years ago, but the P38 is now quite an old vehicle and anyone buying one, will and should certainly consider its condition over and above whatever the odometer might show.

The Mileage of a P38 is indeed kept in both the BeCM and Instrument cluster and is often stored as the KM equivalent (Simply multiply the miles by .6214 to get the KM's) I really now forget which the P38 uses. If you change either up or down, the partner system will eventually auto update to whichever holds the larger of the two values, leaving those swapping either around with only all parts having the largest value in them.

This often happens instantly, otherwise, you may see a message in the Ipacks screen saying "ODO UPDATE" until it does. There is a diagnostic function "Odo re sync" to pre force this "to the highest value" synchronisation on demand.

However there is a very top secret trick that this ebay guy is exploiting with his so called Magic Instrument pack and i discovered over 10 years ago.
While the BeCM keeps it's value inside a secured microprocessor, that to date only we have been able to crack and provide direct access to, the Instrument Pack stores it's value in a totally industry standard parallel eeprom that can easily be read and edited by even the most basic of programmers. It really is not rocket science as the only thing this EEPROM chip contains is this value.

You have to de solder this chip to do this. But it is old through hole technology,
So that ain't any problem to anyone armed with little more than a regular solder sucker.

Normal protocol dictates that you disconnect the vehicles battery, remove the ipack, then its EEPROM, edit its contents then refit the EEPROM, the Ipack and reconnect the battery. But then as explained, the Ipack will just update to whatever the BeCM had in it. Putting you right back to square one.

However, the big secret, and the real trick to this Guys offering is that if you temporarily refit the Instrument pack without the EEPROM chip in at all, and power up the vehicle, the BeCM magically resets its count to zero. So the loan Magic Instrument pack is nothing more that one without an EEPROM chip in.

Having then edited the instrument packs EEPROM to whatever value you wish and then re fitting it, the BeCM will update itself from zero to whatever the Instrument pack has in it.
 
You must be daft if you buy a vehicle with mot thats been clocked

its free to check an mot history with the dvla and it flags up any problems

the only people i can see who could genuinely be fooled are breakers and people buying used spares

'this came off a range with 50k on the clocks etc etc'
 
Thank yu for your contribution.

Its info like this that helps the forum and is obviously not aimed to "increase sales".

I would have thought that you would be above the snidey criticism leveled at you.
 
@BBS guy,Col do not take to heart all the crap that is thrown in your direction.if it was not for bods like you, p38 owners would be stuck with the stealers taking all our hard earned off us.As it is you have given us the means to be able to fix our rangy's to a satisfactory standard without it costing us the earth.so keep up the good work and keep coming on here to help us all out.:D:D:D;)
 
I didn't mean to suggest that it was anything dodgy or underhand or to criticise the seller - I was just curious as I thought it couldn't be done on a P38!

Thanks BBS Guy for the explanation. Very informative!

Guy
 
I considered long and hard before eventually deciding to post up on this thread. As many of you will be all to aware of the criticism i typically face on every post i seem to make and sadly this now means i am really now a quite infrequent visitor here and am certainly quite select on offering any further contribution to this forum.

However i certainly cannot stand by and watch any member potentially be ripped of for the want of bit a little bit of the knowledge i happen to posses.

The information i am about to provide may well have been of been of very high value to anyone of iffy tendencies 10 years ago, but the P38 is now quite an old vehicle and anyone buying one, will and should certainly consider its condition over and above whatever the odometer might show.

The Mileage of a P38 is indeed kept in both the BeCM and Instrument cluster and is often stored as the KM equivalent (Simply multiply the miles by .6214 to get the KM's) I really now forget which the P38 uses. If you change either up or down, the partner system will eventually auto update to whichever holds the larger of the two values, leaving those swapping either around with only all parts having the largest value in them.

This often happens instantly, otherwise, you may see a message in the Ipacks screen saying "ODO UPDATE" until it does. There is a diagnostic function "Odo re sync" to pre force this "to the highest value" synchronisation on demand.

However there is a very top secret trick that this ebay guy is exploiting with his so called Magic Instrument pack and i discovered over 10 years ago.
While the BeCM keeps it's value inside a secured microprocessor, that to date only we have been able to crack and provide direct access to, the Instrument Pack stores it's value in a totally industry standard parallel eeprom that can easily be read and edited by even the most basic of programmers. It really is not rocket science as the only thing this EEPROM chip contains is this value.

You have to de solder this chip to do this. But it is old through hole technology,
So that ain't any problem to anyone armed with little more than a regular solder sucker.

Normal protocol dictates that you disconnect the vehicles battery, remove the ipack, then its EEPROM, edit its contents then refit the EEPROM, the Ipack and reconnect the battery. But then as explained, the Ipack will just update to whatever the BeCM had in it. Putting you right back to square one.

However, the big secret, and the real trick to this Guys offering is that if you temporarily refit the Instrument pack without the EEPROM chip in at all, and power up the vehicle, the BeCM magically resets its count to zero. So the loan Magic Instrument pack is nothing more that one without an EEPROM chip in.

Having then edited the instrument packs EEPROM to whatever value you wish and then re fitting it, the BeCM will update itself from zero to whatever the Instrument pack has in it.


Just to add my bit to Colins detailed explanation of the P38's workings, any integrated circuit with writable memory can have the memory contents changed if you have the right kit. Not some thing for amateurs as the kit is expensive, and no I don't have the kit for the modern I.C's, but I can for example read and reprogram the EPROM in the BECM either to produce a clone, or if I knew enough about the code it contains, to modify it.:)
 
Thanks Guys, and Sorry MHM, you are of course right and i probably should have not added such comment.

But when you are such an active member on so many forums as i am, including our own BBS one, and have such limited time to post responses to threads that will possibly benefit from your knowledge or reply to the many PM enquiries i get, mostly potential sales enquiries, you cannot help but let it become at least a partial factor in your decision making process.

In this case, i decided that my knowledge of the subject of this thread was so beneficial and informative to members in general, that i would take the time to post up what i know about it, the value of which is self evident, albeit with the comment designed to disuade possible criticism for the small Pro BBS equipment element it contained.
 
all i wanna know is where in cyprus you are, i noticed a lot of rangies out there when i was visiting the inlaws in Kapparis.

and i wanna go back to the sunshine!!!
 
Thanks Guys, and Sorry MHM, you are of course right and i probably should have not added such comment.

But when you are such an active member on so many forums as i am, including our own BBS one, and have such limited time to post responses to threads that will possibly benefit from your knowledge or reply to the many PM enquiries i get, mostly potential sales enquiries, you cannot help but let it become at least a partial factor in your decision making process.

In this case, i decided that my knowledge of the subject of this thread was so beneficial and informative to members in general, that i would take the time to post up what i know about it, the value of which is self evident, albeit with the comment designed to disuade possible criticism for the small Pro BBS equipment element it contained.


Col,

Stay Cool fella the guys that matter on here KNOW you do a OUTSTANDING JOB mate ....

FULL MARKS to yer
 
Thanks Guys, and Sorry MHM, you are of course right and i probably should have not added such comment.

But when you are such an active member on so many forums as i am, including our own BBS one, and have such limited time to post responses to threads that will possibly benefit from your knowledge or reply to the many PM enquiries i get, mostly potential sales enquiries, you cannot help but let it become at least a partial factor in your decision making process.

In this case, i decided that my knowledge of the subject of this thread was so beneficial and informative to members in general, that i would take the time to post up what i know about it, the value of which is self evident, albeit with the comment designed to disuade possible criticism for the small Pro BBS equipment element it contained.

This is common knowledge!!!!
Google it ...loads of forums will detail how to ....ahem...correct mileage on a P38, its 90's tech.
 
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