I ####ing hate my TD4 rite now!

Just after I bought the car, over 2 years ago, it failed to start when warm, just once. I didn't think anything of it and carried on.

Yesterday, I stopped at tyre place, failed to start 3-4 times. I opened the bonnet, couldn't smell fuel and couldn't see anything blatant, tried to start and it fired straight away. Strange!

Today, started at work, drove about 1 mile, turned off for around 2-3minutes. Would t start for ****! EML is on, no LP FP! I could kick the **** out of it rite now!!!!!


What is the best way to tackle it, fuel pump relay, then fuel pump, both at the same time, something else????

Oh and to make it worse, I got towed by a ####ing jimny!!!! No disrespect to the jimny tho.

once it is warm and fails to start it tends to be the camshaft sensor under the plastic cover and on the left of the engin you will see the wiring socket that goes into it only one bolt as well

teddywood1 said:

once it is warm and fails to start it tends to be the camshaft sensor under the plastic cover and on the left of the engin you will see the wiring socket that goes into it only one bolt as well

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Would that stop the fuel pump ticking?

I had similar problem and it was the cable for the under bonnet fuel pump that came loose/pulled out,

The whole bracket that it sits in had dropped meaning all the weight was on that cable

Dangermike said:

I had similar problem and it was the cable for the under bonnet fuel pump that came loose/pulled out,

The whole bracket that it sits in had dropped meaning all the weight was on that cable

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What engine is that? The only pump under then engine is the HP pump, on the TD4, I think anyway.

mick 1986 said:

Would that stop the fuel pump ticking?

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no it would not stop the fuel pump but if the pipes are full that would, i am not saying it is definite but a maybe as that is what happened to mine a few years ago on my old one , some suggest getting a freez spray and trying that as when the sensor is cold it works, or get a friend with a freelander to swap the sensor over to see if it works

I'm away for a week from tomorrow so it can sit on camp and #### itself until I get back. Then I can try and sort it.

I have some freezer spray somewhere so will give it a go.

i have just reread your thred, if you have management light on then it would not be camshaft sensor as this does not bring management light on , at least i have not known it but somebody on here might know , it is more than likley to be pump and if you change it then change the filter as well, what year is your car if it is before 2002 then the pump is under the back seat .

teddy - dont know if this is helpful, or just muddying the water, but my X-T takes timing info from the crankshaft sensor - if that fails it uses the camshaft sensor as a backup for limp mode and the MIL light comes on, so they can be linked.

teddywood1 said:

i have just reread your thred, if you have management light on then it would not be camshaft sensor as this does not bring management light on , at least i have not know it but somebody on here might know , it is more than likley to be pump and if you change it then change the filter as well, what year is your car if it is before 2002 then the pump is under the back seat .

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It's a 53 plate. The filter was done in April for the MOT, it suddenly developed a fuel leak when taken to the garage. I will try and get on it in the morning before we deploy, I'm after checking voltage at the pump, I hope it's a constant DC and not a pulsed signal!? Other than that, it will be test and possible short the relay, and see what's what's.


If the camshaft sensor does develop the EML, will that disable the fuel pump?

If its the fuel pump, both EML lights will come on, normally one will go out and leave the other on, in the case of no fuel, they will both stay on.
This is before you crank the engine, just ignition on.
Would have thought the pump has a 12v feed via a relay..

drturbo said:

If its the fuel pump, both EML lights will come on, normally one will go out and leave the other on, in the case of no fuel, they will both stay on.
This is before you crank the engine, just ignition on.
Would have thought the pump has a 12v feed via a relay..

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What two lights are them mate? I'm sure I only have one, it comes on as part of the lights check, flashes off and stays on.

re the l.p.pump ..
there is a related fuse .. no.22 .. in the cab fuse box

drturbo said:

If its the fuel pump, both EML lights will come on, normally one will go out and leave the other on, in the case of no fuel, they will both stay on.
This is before you crank the engine, just ignition on.
Would have thought the pump has a 12v feed via a relay..

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Didn't on mine. Just the Amber light when the engine was under load.

Hi there are 2 main very very common faults with td4 we see at the dealer very often no1 low pressure fuel pump
If u turn ignition on then listen to the engine u will be able to hear the fuel flowing round for a few seconds only till it times out if no noise then tap the pump either just in front of the o/s r wheel or if early one in engine bay
Or it's a injector leaking back to the return line remove the pipe on top of the injectors and clamp it then turn the ignition on if fuel seeps out the injector is faulty hope this helps

mick 1986 said:

What engine is that? The only pump under then engine is the HP pump, on the TD4, I think anyway.

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I have a td4 Aswell , there is a fuel pump right next to ( in the same bracket) as the fuel filter.

that's one

Tried it cold this morning, still failed to fire, no noise from the fuel pump. I will check the leak back when I get back.

Dangermike said:

I have a td4 Aswell , there is a fuel pump right next to ( in the same bracket) as the fuel filter.

View attachment 41536 that's one

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yours is the earlier one of the td4 if you change that pump and filter be very carefull of the top of the pump if you break it which was easy done on my old one ,a new one from the steelers will cost £90 od also i had a right time getting mine out in the end i cut the holder, one secondhand holder and some grease and it was back together

sijwhite said:

Didn't on mine. Just the Amber light when the engine was under load.

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The one on the right I guess, with the ! in it, if your driving and it happens only this one will come on. The other indicates an emissions problem.
Initially when you turn on the ignition, both will come on. Normally the ! one should extinguish. If it flicks back on, could be the pump, among other things..

The one on the left, indicates an emissions fault, and wont go out till you start the engine.
The one on the right, with the ! in it indicates a general management system problem..