Hi all! Please help me

Hi
I have a 1992/J reg Land Rover discovery 200 tdi
We brought the above disco about Three weeks ago, and everything was fine and loving it! UNTILL Friday before last. We went out in it and all of a sudden after about 20 miles we couldnt get any gears. There was no clutch pedal (very soft), just a little bit of bite at the bottem, anyway we managed to get it home (with some difficultly) then there was no clutch what so ever. A friend towed it to a garage (when we got to the garage there was a slight clutch???) where they put a new master cylinder on it. Picked it up the next day and it was fine, drove perfect problem fixed!
SO WE THOUGHT.... Went to move it today after it has been stood for 1 week, and no clutch.
Been reading the forum today to see if we can get any help, weve bled it and bled it, tapped the slave cylinder. We tried it so i was pressing the pedal and the other half was bleeding the slave cylinder no different, then we did it gravity feed and didnt touch the pedal and it seemed to get a bit more bite, still not enough to get any gears.
Please help us, weve got to get her back on the road next week
Thanks
Mel
Sorry forgot to mention, we can get gears when engine not running....

A few things spring to mind.

either its a faulty slave cylinder, the release rod has holed the clutch fork, clutch fork broken, pressure plate collapsing, damper thingy on clutch pipe faulty.

I'd start by removing the slave cylinder and see if its leaking.

You say you can get gears with the engine off so that means the clutch is not fully releasing. Known as clutch drag.

had a similar thing on my 200tdi, problem was the clutch damper leaking

Hi guys
Thanks for the advice! what i cant understand though, is that when the master cylinder was changed it run perfect, then a week later after been stood it happens again!?
We brought the disco from my brother and he never had any probs what so ever! (bless him he feels awful)
Mel

hughie said:

had a similar thing on my 200tdi, problem was the clutch damper leaking

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what's a clutch damper? and is it only discos that have them?

hi slob
the clutch damper is situated in between the curly pipe (which helps stop the pipes splitting when the engine & box are thrown about during rough terrain work) and the slave cylinder, i have seen this piped out because ......,,
air gets trapped in between them and causes soft or ineffective clutches the best way to bleed this system i have found is to gravity bleed, then in quick succession stamp on pedal while being bled the tried and tested way the system is a bugger to bleed.A holed fork would make clutch pedal go rock hard as slave is at max travel and has no resistance pushing it back i know this from my own experience.Not sure if this damper set up is used on any other 4x4 but over the years hes been a personal pain in the proverbial. hope i aint bored ya

We fitted new seals to a master brake cylinder on some vehicle which I can't now remember and couldn't for the life of us get it to prime. Took it to an indie close by and he bled it in reverse direction - pumped in through the bleed nipple. Fixed it straight off and swore that it also does those 'bastard to bleed' systems. Anyone else heard of this method and how exactly it was done?

cavking said:

hi slob
the clutch damper is situated in between the curly pipe (which helps stop the pipes splitting when the engine & box are thrown about during rough terrain work) and the slave cylinder, i have seen this piped out because ......,,
air gets trapped in between them and causes soft or ineffective clutches the best way to bleed this system i have found is to gravity bleed, then in quick succession stamp on pedal while being bled the tried and tested way the system is a bugger to bleed.A holed fork would make clutch pedal go rock hard as slave is at max travel and has no resistance pushing it back i know this from my own experience.Not sure if this damper set up is used on any other 4x4 but over the years hes been a personal pain in the proverbial. hope i aint bored ya

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so whats it do? can you not just remove it and give it a sling test?

Looks like you can, Slob! Only fitted to diesels to quote - absorb slight hydraulic pulses caused by cyclic variations of the diesel engine crankshaft at low rpm - unquote. Fookin good fun eh?

fook me ah swear we bollocks wur talkin to me just there!!!!

nope, my mustake it just sounded like bollocks

I'm with you Slob .... I want to know about this clutch damper thing.

What model of Landy is alleged to have these?

They sound about as useful as an EGR system.

CharlesY

ah reckon its some saleman's spiel, sproutin bollocks he knows nowt about. course ah could be wrong fer once

HI slob
the 200 & 300 disco,s have these take a look under the bonnet look for slave, the damper is the round flat cylinder shaped can (for want of a better expression) that interrupts the clutch pipe from master to slave cylinder and is held into place by the same bracket that holds slave. Fluid passes into and out of it. Have driven a disco with this piped out, a strange pulsating feeling under foot can be felt when dipping clutch.So they do a job but create problems of there own...?

so yer crankshaft must be moving laterally for it to be felt at the pedal.. ave driven and repaired stacks of doosuls and never seen one before.
one thing that puzzles me is why its never cropped up on here before

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have a look here paddocks sell them £15, so they must be real

HI chaps
see they do exist , thought i must be only one who has ever had trouble with one or seen one?what a relief, hope i have enlightened the masses
all the best fellas (oh and i aint no salesman)

ah wint doubting if it exsisted more whats it for and is it really needed?

ah found this it seems you can take it out and every thing still works fine

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f31/clutch-damper-24203.html?highlight=clutch+damper

Well Slob, that dampened my enthusiasm alright.

If my Disco TD5 has one of those it's going in the bin.

What a stupid idea.

CharlesY

I can confirm there is one on my Spanish spec 93 200dti, I have seen these before many years ago but buggered if I can remember what it was on, and as I did not work on diesels that far back I'm pretty sure it must have been a petrol vehicle.

regards

Dave