Help, someones got my reverse.

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Up until a couple weeks ago, landy doing fine.
Upon returning to the house and putting in reverse, it jumped out and made horible noises and hasn't been available since. On occasion it does move backwards momentarily however then nothing. I've tried but it won't have it if you try and hold it in gear.
I still have driven it with 1st - 4th.
I can see no visual problem after removing the seat box and top covers of the gear box.

Any help or suggestions appreciated.
 
Never had a series box apart, I'm sure someone will be along soon who has.
Could be a selector fork issue, does the box go in gear then jump out, or does the lever go to the reverse position and nothing happens, whats the exact problem.
Morris marina's were known for this, I think it was the idler jackshaft bearings that went.
 
My money would be on a skew idler shaft; was the first 'major' fault on my 109 after I'd got it ready for service, and I have to thank it very much, becouse it made me go buy a 'banger' of a Montego to get me to and from work while I fixed it, and that proved so useful, it justified its tax, insurance and MOT on the fuel savings for commuting, and allowed me to keep the 109 PURELY for 'fun' making it a LOT more pleasurable to own....
But anyway. The reverse gear sits on a bronze bush or a needle roller on an idler shaft, and is wedged between the lay-shaft and 1st gear, I think, when you waggle teh stick into the right place.
Trouble is, that the engagement is a bit 'skew' as its a straight cut gear, and teh tendancy is for it to catch one cog before it catches the other... but with a bit of wear, it doesn't go 'in' and tries to twist on the idler shaft, and eventually starts to wear the idler shaft at an angle.
As time passes, the skew loading wears the cog trapezoid, and puts an inordinate amount of load on one side of the cog, and it starts to loose teeth.... when its lost so many teeth that it can loose engagement with one gear, you start getting a jerky reverse, and then no reverse, as it finds the bald-spot and stays there!
You wont like the fix, I'm afirad.....
Box has to come out, and either get rebuilt with new bits in it, or get swapped for another with a fuill compliment of gears!
My money, went on a Montego.............
Then After saving up, I bought a rebuild kit, and THEN I bought all the individual piece parts that WEREN'T in the kit, like a second set of syncro cones, the reverse idler shaft, a new reverse idler gear, and a new reverse idler bearing.... as well as a few scres for the selector forks.... new reverse 'gate' and selector fork bush, and the bits needed to do the clutch and the hand-brake on either end, as I figured, 'what the heck - while I can SEE them, may as well 'do' them'....
And best part of £500 later....... I had a rather nice Land-Rover that engaged every gear without TOO much pudding stirring or guess work! Also stopped on hills and STAYED there, remarkeably!
 
A proper explanation.

I wouldnt attempt repair mate unless your experienced with these things and have a power press and necessary tools, doesnt mean to say you cant do it, more that you might be better off getting a recon if you can, or a known good box, there are a couple of blokes around that have fitted the lt77 later type box, or the r380 box, so you might be able to do a deal for an original 'box.
Google ashcroft transmissions, they've got all the stuff, and I think have service exchangers.
 
Sorry Pepper, have to dissagree.
Rebuilding the SIII box doesn't need any tools more specialist than a decent pair of circlip pliers. There's nothing in there to be pressed in or out, and the only really fiddly bit is assembling the syncro hubs, and thats only becouse teh springs keep wanting to ping out when you push the retaining ring over the top and push it past the detants!
Most awkward bit is splitting the main and transfer boxes, as some of the bolts are 'hidden'. But, clean the thing up well before you begin, and follow the Repair Overhaul manual; apply a lot of good 'house-keeping' to your work area, by way of having lots of pots and jars and tins to hand to put bits in, and labelling them so you know what they are and where they came from (Digi-cam is great too, take pics at each stage, and it helps you see where stuff came from when you come to put it back together), and applt a lot of patience and perceverance, and the results can be terrific, and the best VFM you can get.
As the gear-box and X-fer are the 'heart' of a Series, and THE most difficult bit to get at and do anything to, doing it once and doing it properly makes a lot of sense.
Engines, hanging off the front, you can afford to lob in an unknown quantity and risk it going pop and having to swap it out again, as you dont have to take off much besides the bonnet to get it out; to get the gear-boxes out, you need to take half the car to pieces, as the seat-box has to come out, and if you have a hard-top, the doors have to come off too.
Back to the VFM thing; an LT77 from a Disco wont have the right linkage on it to suit a series, so youd need to pay extra and get one from a defender, or try and source a defender gear-linkage; THEN you have to worry about the transfer box, and either using the matching LT230 and working out how to get the gear ratio's right again, and cope with permenant four wheel drive, or mating it to the series box... AND modifying the floor to suit new lever possitions.
A 'take-out' LT77 from a Defender will probably set you back best part of a couple of hundred quid; add to that the cost of an Ascroft adapter plate to match it to the old, and still as worn series X-fer, you'lkl STILL have had to strip down to remove from the Series box, and you aren't saving yourself much money or hassle.... OK so you get a fifth gear, but you still have a well worn gearbox.
Ascrofts 'exchange' boxes are very good value for money; they AREN'T cheap, but they are a genuine remanufactured box, with about as much life in as you can get, and built to a standard by experts.
But, if you DIY it with the parts from Ascrofts, you stand to save over half the price, for pretty much the same thing.
NOW, rate the alternatives:-
A gear-box from a 'scrap' series could cost anything from £50 to £250, depending on where you get it, and how hard you bargain, and there is little garantee that it has much, if any more life in it than wot you already got. But if needs must, may be worth the risk, JUST to try and get mobile again, especially if you get one for closer to £50 than the other end.
At the higher end of the budget, £250ish, you start seeing adverts for 'exchange' boxes.....
Now a little while ago, Paddocks & Craddocks had between them the last of the Nato Reserve stock from clerance, and were offering boxes for that kind of money; but with the disclaimer that they could have been brand new off the shelf, never been used boxes, boxes removed from knackered landies, which may or may not have been reconditioned by bored squaddies, or complete knackers taken out becouse of a box fault and simply booked back into stores to await rebuild..... thier caveot was if it didn't work, you could swap it for another one.
Which was a pretty good deal.....
But think about it, theres over £300 worth of parts needed to properly recondition a gear-box, so anything offered for less than £500 isn't going to have many new bits in it, is it?
It will, most likely be a take-out from a scrapper, with little more than a steam clean, at the bottom end, and as you aproach £700ish, it might have been completely rebuilt, but as like as not with a lot of old bits from other boxes, or they wouldn't be able to make a profit on the job, would they?
IF you are really stretched for dosh, then my reccomendation is to go look for a take-out from a scrapped Landy. It may not last too long, and you may have to do the job all over, but as long as you can get one for under £150 then its worth the risk.
If you have the money, and dont want to do a DIY rebuild, then an Ascrofts 'exchange' (though I think that they actually work on your box now due to shortage of casings) is definitely worth the dosh, they AREN'T exhorbitantly priced, when mine went, in 2000, one of thier remanufactured boxes was well over a grand; now they are under that, I believe, and they represent very good value for a box that is pretty much remade 'as-new'.
In between, a DIY rebuild is your best bet.
As said, its no more expensive and probably no more hassle than trying to cobble in a non standard box, and gives you a box that looks like the drawings in the manuals, with a full compliment of life in it, that shouldn't have to be touched again for another twenty or thirty years.
The work is NOT hard, and doesn't demand any great level of expertise or specilist tools, just patience a little dexterity and a bit of organisation.
Its not a 'quick' job, as there are a lot of fiddly bits to deal with in there, but its possible for a novice to do a box in perhaps two week-ends, if they are contientiouse and organised.
As said, once you have the box out, though, you might as well do it all, which means main-box AND the X-fer box, and while you are at it, the hand-brake on teh back and teh clutch up the front, including new slave cyliner, spigot bearing and spigot arm bushes.
Its not 'essential' but, as said, its the heart of the vehicle and a ball-ache to get at, so, particularly the hand-brake, oft neglected.
And once done, you will be amazed at how 'sweet' the shift of a standard series can be, it REALLY does make a big difference, and as said, should be good for another twenty or thirty years.
 
Gents, I appreciate both your points of view and comments. Not sure I have the confidence to take the box apart any further & to that level, time & resource not on my side either. I did wonder if it's something simple like the selector fork bent but cant get it out to see. the screw thread that holds the plate cover down in the middle is in the way. Even following the manual lift and turn manouvre it won't come out to inspect. It does sound more internal from what's been said.
 
Teffy's right as usual.
Question is, you dont wanna rebuild yourself, so do you wanna spend cash on a refurb?.
If your gonna keep the bus a long time then it is worth it, if your not then you have to decide refurb or risk a salvage, if yer can get a salvage with a short warranty at least you know that if its knackered when you put it in, you can get another or yer cash back.
I might be interested in a transfer box at the right price, if you end up with a spare, think mines iffy.
 
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There's usually a few boxes around on fleabay, or look in the various For Sale sections of the Landy Forums, Heaven knows, there's enough of them!

The IIa and III boxes aren't too bad to strip and repair, but a nightmare if you haven't been in one before and don't know where to start.

I'd be inclined to get a secondhand box to get you back on the road, then spend a bit of time on the old one sorting it out at your leisure.

You may not get a complete transfer box/gearbox assembly, so make sure you get the right one for your vehicle.

Peter
 
The series box has a known fault on the reverse gear, about 10% will be the gear, the rest will be the selector fork, the fork is held to the selector shaft by a singal bolt with a point on, this bolt works lose and you loose the gear, it is easy to get to. Remove the top cover of the box, remember to remove the selector springs first, you will see the three shafts laid out side by side, each one will have a bolt in it with a lock nut, the reverse one is the long one that goes to the rear bottom of the box, remove the locking bolt and make sure the hole in the shaft is lined up, if its not thats your problem
 
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