Grumble AutoMAGIC!

Paul S. Brown · Aug 16, 2004

Mother wrote:

> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion

>
>

On a related, but not particularly closely, angle, anybody know if the 4
speed manual from an RRC (LT75?) can be fitted to a Disco.

I've been driving a V8 Rangie all week and I've become used to being able to
put the hammer down and take off like a rocket. My Disco isn't quite that
good, and I know a source of a possible donor engine and box.

P.

Dave White · Aug 19, 2004

In <[email protected]> Beth Clarke wrote:
> Aren't you supposed to ease over the edge where you can still stop,
> and then select reverse? Headlong flight down is then controlled by
> the throttle.
>
> Quite what the various ECU's would make of it these days I'm not sure!
> Beth

I always felt that this advice, when it appeared years ago, was written
by someone who had never driven an automatic off road and was drunk at
the time and thought it was a good idea.

There are 3 main reasons not to do this:

1) You are in great danger of destroying the torque convertor.

2) If the slope has too little traction you have no way of using the
accelerator to get you out of trouble. You have no way of, in effect,
releasing the brakes so if the tyres start to slide you can't drive out
of it. This is FAR more dangerous than a lack of engine braking. If you
fancy going down a wet grass slope with your wheels turning in reverse,
please let me know so I can have a video camera ready

3) In a trials competition you're not allowed to stop.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

Lee_D · Aug 16, 2004

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news

[email protected]...
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion

Sounds like a good time to give it a test run down to Staffs just to be
sure

Just Got Morph into the rear garden today. Shifted 6 ton of soil and
rubble.. Morph needed to go in the back to clear the drive a bit.. Hopefully
I can crack on in September but will probably need indoor cover to paint him
by then. Anyone?

Lee D
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Alex · Aug 17, 2004

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
>Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
>A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
>difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>good time to look at the disc conversion

I thought you put discs on a year ago?

Alex

Beth Clarke · Aug 19, 2004

Dave White <[email protected]> writes:

> There are 3 main reasons not to do this:

I never said it's what I do, or would do. We only took Troc (RR v8)
off road a couple of times and didn't like the auto. Control was just
too far removed for our liking.

Beth

Austin Shackles · Aug 17, 2004

On or around Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
>Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
>A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
>difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>good time to look at the disc conversion

You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
declutch...

I tend to assume the pedal layout in the 101 doesn't allow you to do
left-foot braking (which, once mastered, is great on an auto) nor the
classic with the auto cars with a single huge brake pedal of standing on the
brake and "clutch" simultaneously with both feet...

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Dan · Aug 19, 2004

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:51:37 GMT, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Could meet you half way if you wanna give Percy a run?
>
>Intersting .....an Auto outing!

I'll take you up on that soon. Probably
>Late September as it's that time of year again here and the Carbs still need
>sorting.....that should give you time to polish off the polishy offey bits.
>
>Wheres Halfway? Sort of Chatsworth house type area? Mrs D may go for a day
>out then as the Bleeding ears would not be without reward ;-)
>
>Lee D
>
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>Just a little hobby site about Landies

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>
>
Being as the ambulance needs an engine change and the gearbox is a bit
notchy in 2nd and fitting a 4.2 would be compromised with the
gearstick connector between the heads - it's awfully tempting to go to
4.n litres and automatic while I have to make do with a GS...

Daniel
(Cheshire)
www.strangerover.net

Richard Brookman · Aug 17, 2004

Simon Barr wrote:
>
> When I had my first auto I kept trying to change into second after
> pulling away, took quite a while for me to stop doing it. When it
> used to go in for servicing I used to get given a manual and nearly
> always stalled it at the first junction I came to.
>
> Once you get used to them they are fantastic though.

I was given a hire car from work recently to do a couple of long trips - a
Pug 306 manual. Dropped the car back in the car park, picked up the Rangie
(auto) and set off home. Got to the bridge toll, slowed down, and tried to
slip it into first for a quick getaway, i.e. pushed the lever from D to R at
about 10mph. Luckily, the electrickery in the autobox saw what was
happening and totally ignored me. I expected a massive crunch (like when
you select P before stopping, but worse, done once, never again), but -
nothing. I'm not a big fan of cars that warn and nag and protect themselves
from the driver, but I was grateful on this occasion. I believe that
replacement ZF boxes are quite a price.

Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)

--

Rich (still in love)

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

Austin Shackles · Aug 19, 2004

On or around Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:30:39 GMT, Beth Clarke <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly fast.
>> this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the ratio is higher
>> to start with and the TC works backwards, so to speak, I think as well. I
>> tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious footbrake.
>
>Aren't you supposed to ease over the edge where you can still stop, and
>then select reverse? Headlong flight down is then controlled by the
>throttle.
>

I'd be very wary of doing that. most likely outcome would be that you
engage the torque converter and stall the engine, whereupon it all goes into
neutral. Failing that, if you welly it a bit too much, you'll get the
wheels spinning backwards, which would be worse than locking 'em, probably.

Advice is the same, 1L and feet off, but be prepared for a touch of brake if
it starts to run away too quick. Brake-plus-throttle as RB says is a way of
making it less likely that wheels lock up, although it'll not actually
guarantee this.

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"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)

rads · Aug 20, 2004

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:34:17 +0100, Austin Shackles
>
>Advice is the same, 1L and feet off, but be prepared for a touch of brake if
>it starts to run away too quick. Brake-plus-throttle as RB says is a way of
>making it less likely that wheels lock up, although it'll not actually
>guarantee this.

Would a gentle application of the transmission brake not compensate
for the reduced braking effect of an auto?

David

Lee_D · Aug 20, 2004

"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Would a gentle application of the transmission brake not compensate
> for the reduced braking effect of an auto?
>
> David
>

My experience with transmission brakes is that they are on or off not in
between as they have a vicious bite. Also it's likely that overzealous
application would snap a half shaft or two. A scary scenario in a 101.

Lee D

Lee_D · Aug 17, 2004

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Could meet you half way if you wanna give Percy a run?

Intersting .....an Auto outing!

I'll take you up on that soon. Probably
Late September as it's that time of year again here and the Carbs still need
sorting.....that should give you time to polish off the polishy offey bits.

Wheres Halfway? Sort of Chatsworth house type area? Mrs D may go for a day
out then as the Bleeding ears would not be without reward ;-)

Lee D

--
________________________________
www.lrproject.com
Just a little hobby site about Landies

________________________________

Mother · Aug 21, 2004

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:36:44 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Dan) wrote:

>Being as the ambulance needs an engine change and the gearbox is a bit
>notchy in 2nd and fitting a 4.2 would be compromised with the
>gearstick connector between the heads - it's awfully tempting to go to
>4.n litres and automatic while I have to make do with a GS...

Do it.

Put the remade/rebalanced props on today - remarkable difference.
Drives better than it ever did with manual box - and quieter (though I
have just replaced the sound stuff on the engine cover).

I'm now an auto-convert.

Do it.

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I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net

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Mother · Aug 21, 2004

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:03:19 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>You can left-foot it, but it's quite a contortion. I have the same
>problem with buses, the steering column is right in the way.

I'm tempted to extend the footplate on the brake - still, will have to
be some way on a 101...

--
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from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net

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Austin Shackles · Aug 17, 2004

On or around Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
>Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
>A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
>difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>good time to look at the disc conversion

You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
declutch...

I tend to assume the pedal layout in the 101 doesn't allow you to do
left-foot braking (which, once mastered, is great on an auto) nor the
classic with the auto cars with a single huge brake pedal of standing on the
brake and "clutch" simultaneously with both feet...

--
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Lee_D · Aug 17, 2004

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)

Whats wrong with Auto series 2's?

Lee D

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Mother · Aug 17, 2004

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:17:55 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>>good time to look at the disc conversion

>
>I thought you put discs on a year ago?

Nah, that was the plan, but you know what plans are...

--
Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net

Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info

Mother · Aug 17, 2004

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

>Sounds like a good time to give it a test run down to Staffs just to be
>sure

Could meet you half way if you wanna give Percy a run?

--
Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net

Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info

Simon Barr · Aug 17, 2004

In article <[email protected]>, Mother wrote:
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>

Yeah, I like auto's.

>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion

>
>

When I had my first auto I kept trying to change into second after pulling
away, took quite a while for me to stop doing it. When it used to go in
for servicing I used to get given a manual and nearly always stalled it at
the first junction I came to.

Once you get used to them they are fantastic though.

--
simon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk
Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

Lee_D · Aug 17, 2004

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>nor the
> classic with the auto cars with a single huge brake pedal of standing on
the
> brake and "clutch" simultaneously with both feet...

I still have the scar (mental and emotional!) to prove this smarts from a
605 testdrive ...

Lee D

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