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KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!

Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!

A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!

Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
good time to look at the disc conversion


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Mother wrote:

> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion
>
>

On a related, but not particularly closely, angle, anybody know if the 4
speed manual from an RRC (LT75?) can be fitted to a Disco.

I've been driving a V8 Rangie all week and I've become used to being able to
put the hammer down and take off like a rocket. My Disco isn't quite that
good, and I know a source of a possible donor engine and box.

P.

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion

Sounds like a good time to give it a test run down to Staffs just to be
sure

Just Got Morph into the rear garden today. Shifted 6 ton of soil and
rubble.. Morph needed to go in the back to clear the drive a bit.. Hopefully
I can crack on in September but will probably need indoor cover to paint him
by then. Anyone?

Lee D
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
>Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
>A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
>difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>good time to look at the disc conversion

I thought you put discs on a year ago?

Alex

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:02:30 GMT, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

>Sounds like a good time to give it a test run down to Staffs just to be
>sure

Could meet you half way if you wanna give Percy a run?


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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:17:55 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>>good time to look at the disc conversion
>
>I thought you put discs on a year ago?

Nah, that was the plan, but you know what plans are...


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from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net


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On or around Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
>Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
>A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
>difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>good time to look at the disc conversion

You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
declutch...

I tend to assume the pedal layout in the 101 doesn't allow you to do
left-foot braking (which, once mastered, is great on an auto) nor the
classic with the auto cars with a single huge brake pedal of standing on the
brake and "clutch" simultaneously with both feet...

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In article <[email protected]>, Mother wrote:
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>

Yeah, I like auto's.

>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion
>
>

When I had my first auto I kept trying to change into second after pulling
away, took quite a while for me to stop doing it. When it used to go in
for servicing I used to get given a manual and nearly always stalled it at
the first junction I came to.

Once you get used to them they are fantastic though.

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Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>nor the
> classic with the auto cars with a single huge brake pedal of standing on
the
> brake and "clutch" simultaneously with both feet...

I still have the scar (mental and emotional!) to prove this smarts from a
605 testdrive ...

Lee D

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Could meet you half way if you wanna give Percy a run?

Intersting .....an Auto outing! I'll take you up on that soon. Probably
Late September as it's that time of year again here and the Carbs still need
sorting.....that should give you time to polish off the polishy offey bits.

Wheres Halfway? Sort of Chatsworth house type area? Mrs D may go for a day
out then as the Bleeding ears would not be without reward ;-)

Lee D

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Simon Barr wrote:
>
> When I had my first auto I kept trying to change into second after
> pulling away, took quite a while for me to stop doing it. When it
> used to go in for servicing I used to get given a manual and nearly
> always stalled it at the first junction I came to.
>
> Once you get used to them they are fantastic though.

I was given a hire car from work recently to do a couple of long trips - a
Pug 306 manual. Dropped the car back in the car park, picked up the Rangie
(auto) and set off home. Got to the bridge toll, slowed down, and tried to
slip it into first for a quick getaway, i.e. pushed the lever from D to R at
about 10mph. Luckily, the electrickery in the autobox saw what was
happening and totally ignored me. I expected a massive crunch (like when
you select P before stopping, but worse, done once, never again), but -
nothing. I'm not a big fan of cars that warn and nag and protect themselves
from the driver, but I was grateful on this occasion. I believe that
replacement ZF boxes are quite a price.

Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)

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Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)

Whats wrong with Auto series 2's?


Lee D


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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:25:08 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:33:13 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
>@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>>
>>Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>>
>>A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
>>difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>>
>>Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
>>down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
>>good time to look at the disc conversion
>
>You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
>declutch...
>
>I tend to assume the pedal layout in the 101 doesn't allow you to do
>left-foot braking (which, once mastered, is great on an auto) nor the
>classic with the auto cars with a single huge brake pedal of standing on the
>brake and "clutch" simultaneously with both feet...

You can left-foot it, but it's quite a contortion. I have the same
problem with buses, the steering column is right in the way.

Alex

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message news[email protected]...
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion

The first time I drove an Auto I nearly killed the poor biker tailgating me as I 'changed' down for the
impending roundabout!!!!!

Seriously, the Trooper (which goes next week) has one of the best auto boxes I have ever had. It will do
41mph at 1200rpm!!!!!

Its bloody superb!

Nige

In article <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman wrote:
>
> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>

I've never used an auto off road as I've only ever had auto cars.

What do you do for hill descent, select first/second on the box just like
a manual? I suppose on newer ones with all the electrikery you wouldn't
need to do that.

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Simon Barr.
'97 110 300Tdi.

On or around 18 Aug 2004 07:40:34 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman wrote:
>>
>> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
>> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>>
>
>I've never used an auto off road as I've only ever had auto cars.
>

first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly fast.
this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the ratio is higher
to start with and the TC works backwards, so to speak, I think as well. I
tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious footbrake.

bloke at the PORC (RIP) was instructing us newbies in the art of descending
their specially-made extra-steep slope; quoth he: "keep yer foot off the
clutch". "No problem there, I haven't got one".

but you won't get as much engine braking, even in 1L. It still goes fairly
slowly, but not like a manual does.


mind, on the disco, with it's sloppy transmission, pootling downslope
feet-off in 2L it can go into a vile (and violent) shunting motion - some
form of harmonic wossname, between the play int he ignition and the reaction
of the engine and the idle-speed contorl and so on, I think. A moderate
slope in this case, and fairly rough ground. doubtless on a steeper slope
it'd be better.
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Boswell's "Johnson".

Austin Shackles <[email protected]> writes:

> first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly fast.
> this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the ratio is higher
> to start with and the TC works backwards, so to speak, I think as well. I
> tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious footbrake.

Aren't you supposed to ease over the edge where you can still stop, and
then select reverse? Headlong flight down is then controlled by the
throttle.

Quite what the various ECU's would make of it these days I'm not sure!
Beth

Lee_D wrote:
> "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
>> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>
> Whats wrong with Auto series 2's?
>
>
> Lee D

Nothin, pal, honest! Didn't mean to offend! Can't we sort this out like
gentlemen?

Actually an auto would be quite nice in there, but I'm having too much fun
playing with the gear lever and making funny tunes at the moment.

--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around 18 Aug 2004 07:40:34 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series
>>> 2s, brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>>>
>>
>> I've never used an auto off road as I've only ever had auto cars.
>>
>
> first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly
> fast. this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the
> ratio is higher to start with and the TC works backwards, so to
> speak, I think as well. I tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious
> footbrake.

Agreed - but a bit of left-foot braking combined with a judicious use of the
*throttle* will get you down quite safely. Needs a bit of practice, but
I've trialled Tiggrr all this season with an auto (and gone down some pretty
scary slopes) and it's been fine. Not as slow as a 2.5 n/a diesel in first
low (a definition of slowness) but OK all the same.
--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nothin, pal, honest! Didn't mean to offend! Can't we sort this out like
> gentlemen?
>
> Actually an auto would be quite nice in there, but I'm having too much fun
> playing with the gear lever and making funny tunes at the moment.

Ah yes I recall it well... now I get to listen to the sucking of the Carbs
instead Or is it the petrol tank cap?

If it weren't for double declutching and a dodgie knee (hopefully resolved
now) I'd still be stirring gears here.

Lee D
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