Grumble AutoMAGIC!

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message news[email protected]...
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion

The first time I drove an Auto I nearly killed the poor biker tailgating me as I 'changed' down for the
impending roundabout!!!!!

Seriously, the Trooper (which goes next week) has one of the best auto boxes I have ever had. It will do
41mph at 1200rpm!!!!!

Its bloody superb!

Nige

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:58:40 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:03:19 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>You can left-foot it, but it's quite a contortion. I have the same
>>problem with buses, the steering column is right in the way.
>
>I'm tempted to extend the footplate on the brake - still, will have to
>be some way on a 101...

When I was talking to Warren about this he reckoned it would be
necessary. He may have changed his mind, but he said that autos had
to have a wider brake pedal. Not sure which regs he was thinking of,
but that's what he said.

Left foot braking is quite easy to get the hang of, but it makes it
all the more difficult to hop back in a manual!
--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (FOR SALE)
'03 Volvo V70

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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 08:47:31 +0100, Tim Hobbs
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 22:58:40 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:03:19 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>You can left-foot it, but it's quite a contortion. I have the same
>>>problem with buses, the steering column is right in the way.
>>
>>I'm tempted to extend the footplate on the brake - still, will have to
>>be some way on a 101...
>
>When I was talking to Warren about this he reckoned it would be
>necessary. He may have changed his mind, but he said that autos had
>to have a wider brake pedal. Not sure which regs he was thinking of,
>but that's what he said.
>

I've often wondered about that. All autos seem to have wider brake
pedals, but why?

Alex

Alex wrote:
>
>
> I've often wondered about that. All autos seem to have wider brake
> pedals, but why?
>

To fill the gap in the footwell, so that drivers don't think that something
has fallen off?

Actually, that's a serious point - perhaps it was necessary in the early
days of automatics to get acceptance by the buying public. Look, this car
isn't missing something, it's got that special pedal that only automatics
have!

I have the clutch and brake pedals welded together to make one big brake
pedal on the trialler (ZF auto) and it's almost essential for left-foot
braking.

--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

Cor, I haven't owned a car with a manual box since my 1971 Hillman Hunter -
no, wait, my '83 RR was manual.

I'd never go back to a manual for a daily driver (unless I lived in the bish)

Ron


"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
>
> Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
>
> A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
>
> Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> good time to look at the disc conversion
>
>
> --
> Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
> from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
> I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
> my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net
>
>
> Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
> there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info

Umm, that should have read " (unless I lived in the bush)"

Blame it on too much red wine

Ron


"The Becketts" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Cor, I haven't owned a car with a manual box since my 1971 Hillman Hunter -
> no, wait, my '83 RR was manual.
>
> I'd never go back to a manual for a daily driver (unless I lived in the
bish)
>
> Ron
>
>
> "Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
> > KIn eck - one could get very used to an auto transmission!
> >
> > Box in, working a treat, ratios cock-on, cheers Tim!
> >
> > A fair few bits to do, like get new props, sort the hi-lo and
> > difflock, but it's getting there and... Working!
> >
> > Instinctive stuff is very, very odd, like the left arm out, left leg
> > down pavlovian response to wanting to move off. I also think now is a
> > good time to look at the disc conversion
> >
> >
> > --
> > Some Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available
> > from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/
> > I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward
> > my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net
> >
> >
> > Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know
> > there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info
>
>

Dave White <[email protected]> writes:

> There are 3 main reasons not to do this:

I never said it's what I do, or would do. We only took Troc (RR v8)
off road a couple of times and didn't like the auto. Control was just
too far removed for our liking.


Beth

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 18:51:37 GMT, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Could meet you half way if you wanna give Percy a run?
>
>Intersting .....an Auto outing! I'll take you up on that soon. Probably
>Late September as it's that time of year again here and the Carbs still need
>sorting.....that should give you time to polish off the polishy offey bits.
>
>Wheres Halfway? Sort of Chatsworth house type area? Mrs D may go for a day
>out then as the Bleeding ears would not be without reward ;-)
>
>Lee D
>
>--
>________________________________
> www.lrproject.com
>Just a little hobby site about Landies
>________________________________
>
>
>
Being as the ambulance needs an engine change and the gearbox is a bit
notchy in 2nd and fitting a 4.2 would be compromised with the
gearstick connector between the heads - it's awfully tempting to go to
4.n litres and automatic while I have to make do with a GS...

Daniel
(Cheshire)
www.strangerover.net

On or around Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:30:39 GMT, Beth Clarke <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Austin Shackles <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly fast.
>> this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the ratio is higher
>> to start with and the TC works backwards, so to speak, I think as well. I
>> tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious footbrake.
>
>Aren't you supposed to ease over the edge where you can still stop, and
>then select reverse? Headlong flight down is then controlled by the
>throttle.
>

I'd be very wary of doing that. most likely outcome would be that you
engage the torque converter and stall the engine, whereupon it all goes into
neutral. Failing that, if you welly it a bit too much, you'll get the
wheels spinning backwards, which would be worse than locking 'em, probably.

Advice is the same, 1L and feet off, but be prepared for a touch of brake if
it starts to run away too quick. Brake-plus-throttle as RB says is a way of
making it less likely that wheels lock up, although it'll not actually
guarantee this.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"There are three sorts of people in the world - those who can count,
and those who can't" (Anon)

Austin Shackles <[email protected]> writes:

> first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly fast.
> this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the ratio is higher
> to start with and the TC works backwards, so to speak, I think as well. I
> tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious footbrake.

Aren't you supposed to ease over the edge where you can still stop, and
then select reverse? Headlong flight down is then controlled by the
throttle.

Quite what the various ECU's would make of it these days I'm not sure!
Beth

On or around 18 Aug 2004 07:40:34 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In article <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman wrote:
>>
>> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
>> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>>
>
>I've never used an auto off road as I've only ever had auto cars.
>

first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly fast.
this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the ratio is higher
to start with and the TC works backwards, so to speak, I think as well. I
tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious footbrake.

bloke at the PORC (RIP) was instructing us newbies in the art of descending
their specially-made extra-steep slope; quoth he: "keep yer foot off the
clutch". "No problem there, I haven't got one".

but you won't get as much engine braking, even in 1L. It still goes fairly
slowly, but not like a manual does.


mind, on the disco, with it's sloppy transmission, pootling downslope
feet-off in 2L it can go into a vile (and violent) shunting motion - some
form of harmonic wossname, between the play int he ignition and the reaction
of the engine and the idle-speed contorl and so on, I think. A moderate
slope in this case, and fairly rough ground. doubtless on a steeper slope
it'd be better.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".

Lee_D wrote:
> "Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series 2s,
>> brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>
> Whats wrong with Auto series 2's?
>
>
> Lee D

Nothin, pal, honest! Didn't mean to offend! Can't we sort this out like
gentlemen?

Actually an auto would be quite nice in there, but I'm having too much fun
playing with the gear lever and making funny tunes at the moment.

--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around 18 Aug 2004 07:40:34 GMT, Simon Barr <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>, Richard Brookman
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Like you, I love autos, both on and off road. (Except for Series
>>> 2s, brilliant vehicles, love them to bits, blah blah....)
>>>
>>
>> I've never used an auto off road as I've only ever had auto cars.
>>
>
> first low and be prepared for the fact that it goes frighteningly
> fast. this is, IMHO the only real downside of the auto box - the
> ratio is higher to start with and the TC works backwards, so to
> speak, I think as well. I tended to use 1L with a bit of judicious
> footbrake.

Agreed - but a bit of left-foot braking combined with a judicious use of the
*throttle* will get you down quite safely. Needs a bit of practice, but
I've trialled Tiggrr all this season with an auto (and gone down some pretty
scary slopes) and it's been fine. Not as slow as a 2.5 n/a diesel in first
low (a definition of slowness) but OK all the same.
--

Rich

Series 2a
RR 4.6
V8 trialler
dog, wife, kids, whatever

"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Nothin, pal, honest! Didn't mean to offend! Can't we sort this out like
> gentlemen?
>
> Actually an auto would be quite nice in there, but I'm having too much fun
> playing with the gear lever and making funny tunes at the moment.

Ah yes I recall it well... now I get to listen to the sucking of the Carbs
instead Or is it the petrol tank cap?

If it weren't for double declutching and a dodgie knee (hopefully resolved
now) I'd still be stirring gears here.

Lee D
--
________________________________
www.lrproject.com
Just a little hobby site about Landies
________________________________

In <[email protected]> Beth Clarke wrote:
> Aren't you supposed to ease over the edge where you can still stop,
> and then select reverse? Headlong flight down is then controlled by
> the throttle.
>
> Quite what the various ECU's would make of it these days I'm not sure!
> Beth

I always felt that this advice, when it appeared years ago, was written
by someone who had never driven an automatic off road and was drunk at
the time and thought it was a good idea.

There are 3 main reasons not to do this:

1) You are in great danger of destroying the torque convertor.

2) If the slope has too little traction you have no way of using the
accelerator to get you out of trouble. You have no way of, in effect,
releasing the brakes so if the tyres start to slide you can't drive out
of it. This is FAR more dangerous than a lack of engine braking. If you
fancy going down a wet grass slope with your wheels turning in reverse,
please let me know so I can have a video camera ready

3) In a trials competition you're not allowed to stop.

cheers

Dave W.
http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:34:17 +0100, Austin Shackles
>
>Advice is the same, 1L and feet off, but be prepared for a touch of brake if
>it starts to run away too quick. Brake-plus-throttle as RB says is a way of
>making it less likely that wheels lock up, although it'll not actually
>guarantee this.

Would a gentle application of the transmission brake not compensate
for the reduced braking effect of an auto?

David

"rads" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Would a gentle application of the transmission brake not compensate
> for the reduced braking effect of an auto?
>
> David
>

My experience with transmission brakes is that they are on or off not in
between as they have a vicious bite. Also it's likely that overzealous
application would snap a half shaft or two. A scary scenario in a 101.


Lee D

On or around Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:34:21 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:25:08 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
>>declutch...
>
>Bugger, bugger, bugger...
>
>I was determined NOT to do this...
>
>Bugger...

<snigger> I take it you just have...

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
> >>declutch...
> >
> >Bugger, bugger, bugger...
> >
> >I was determined NOT to do this...
> >
> >Bugger...
>
> <snigger> I take it you just have...
>
Even worse when you approach the same line in the auto, think you are in a
manual, and your left foot hits the brake hard, thinking it's the clutch!
Not that I'm admitting to have done this, you understand.

--
Badger.
B.H.Engineering,
Rover V8 engine specialists.

now live but still under construction,
www.bhengineering.co.uk
www.roverv8engines.com
www.roverv8engines.co.uk

On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:34:21 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:25:08 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>You wait 'til you come up to a giveway line in a manual and forget to
>>declutch...
>
>Bugger, bugger, bugger...
>
>I was determined NOT to do this...
>
>Bugger...

You haven't crashed it already have you...


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'95 Discovery V8i aka "The Disco" (SOLD)
'03 Volvo V70

My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk
Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com
Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com