Government Committee proposes £1800 car tax for 4x4

steve wrote:
> Tom Woods wrote:
>
>> It would really remove it, theyre still going to be more obvious, its
>> just that the cars will show up too.
>
> Bet you pedestrian RTAs go up, especially in winter.
>
> Steve

Doubt that fitting pedestrians with DRLs is possible, cerainly not
politically.

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[email protected] wrote:
> On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
>
> NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my £5K
> bike off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like because
> drivers DON'T use their eyes!

Sorry you think it's a good plan to drive around blinding other drivers?
Methinks tis you who's the dipstick. Please go have your high speed accident
elsewhere where it doesn't involve me!
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[email protected] wrote:

> On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" wrote:
>
>> Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
>
> NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my £5K bike
> off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like because drivers
> DON'T use their eyes!

It doesn't work. Over the years I've had two nice superbikes written off
by drivers turning right across my line. The first one got busted for Due
Care and the second for Drunk In Charge which made the insurance claims
easy but I was still the guy who went flying through the air and bouncing
down the road.

That was despite having the headlamp on, a white helmet and in both cases
(luckily as I didn't always wear it) the reflective yellow overjacket.

nigelH



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On 2006-08-14, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:

> Sorry you think it's a good plan to drive around blinding other drivers?

I've had this problem a few times, occasionally during the day a bike
comes up behind me and does the hide-and-seek thing, with lights so
bright that I can't keep an eye on him as he dodges around. Lights on
helps a lot, but too bright and you have to avoid looking at them.

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GbH wrote:
> steve wrote:
>
>>Tom Woods wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It would really remove it, theyre still going to be more obvious, its
>>>just that the cars will show up too.
>>
>>Bet you pedestrian RTAs go up, especially in winter.
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> Doubt that fitting pedestrians with DRLs is possible, cerainly not
> politically.
>
Reminds me of the Public Service Announcement of the jogger who had
headlights (voiced by Giles Brandreth?), and he visited his Harley
Street Mechanix to have a dipswitch fitted.

Actually, this also fits the other strand of this thread about bikers
running headlights on full beam...

Stuart

GbH wrote:
> typicalselfrighteoustw+AEA-ontheroad.com wrote:
>
>>On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" <Geoff+AF8-Hannington+AEA-IEE.ORGasm> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
>>
>>NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my +/6M-5K
>>bike off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like because
>>drivers DON'T use their eyes!
>
>
> Sorry you think it's a good plan to drive around blinding other drivers?
> Methinks tis you who's the dipstick. Please go have your high speed accident
> elsewhere where it doesn't involve me!

I think you are right, GbH. When I was a regular rider, I didn't use my
headlights at all during the day (as was standard MAG advice), precisely
because (a) it annoyed the bejesus out of car drivers, who (b) became
used to them and so started to ignore them (or took them as a signal to
pull out of a side road - "'ere Mate, you flashed at me to pull out in
front of you, why did you run into me?") and (c) because once every one
started doing it, the Gubmint would say "let's make it compulsory,
because everyone's doing it anyway"

Stuart

Srtgray wrote:
> GbH wrote:
>> steve wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Woods wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It would really remove it, theyre still going to be more obvious,
>>>> its just that the cars will show up too.
>>>
>>> Bet you pedestrian RTAs go up, especially in winter.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>> Doubt that fitting pedestrians with DRLs is possible, cerainly not
>> politically.
>>
> Reminds me of the Public Service Announcement of the jogger who had
> headlights (voiced by Giles Brandreth?), and he visited his Harley
> Street Mechanix to have a dipswitch fitted.
>
> Actually, this also fits the other strand of this thread about bikers
> running headlights on full beam...
>
> Stuart

Exacterly, I don't object to bikers riding illuminated, darn good idea, but
I do find doing so on main beam particularly irritating and stoopid. I seem
to recall it's proscribed by one of the RTAs (Acts not Accidents).

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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 11:58:24 +0100, Nigel Hewitt
<[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
>>
>> NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my £5K
>> bike
>> off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like because drivers
>> DON'T use their eyes!
>
> It doesn't work. Over the years I've had two nice superbikes written off
> by drivers turning right across my line. The first one got busted for Due
> Care and the second for Drunk In Charge which made the insurance claims
> easy but I was still the guy who went flying through the air and bouncing
> down the road.
>
> That was despite having the headlamp on, a white helmet and in both cases
> (luckily as I didn't always wear it) the reflective yellow overjacket.

I have to say you appear to have an intersting take on 'lucky'

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William Tasso <[email protected]> wrote:

> Nigel Hewitt wrote:

>> It doesn't work. Over the years I've had two nice superbikes written off
>> by drivers turning right across my line. The first one got busted for Due
>> Care and the second for Drunk In Charge which made the insurance claims
>> easy but I was still the guy who went flying through the air and bouncing
>> down the road.
>>
>> That was despite having the headlamp on, a white helmet and in both cases
>> (luckily as I didn't always wear it) the reflective yellow overjacket.
>
> I have to say you appear to have an intersting take on 'lucky'

Hummm......
Maybe I didn't phrase that too well but spending most of my 20s, 30 and 40s
club racing F2 bikes I tend to think that anything I can walk away from
isn't bad.

That's the aggravating thing about being tipped off a bike. I KNOW I can
make it go where I want it. Just give me somewhere to go. The DIC guy
pulled across in front of me, saw me coming and stood on the brakes blocking
the whole road. It was a white van. It cost him for an 18 month old Fireblade
and he'd been done before so he got a fine like a mortgage and several years
on the bus. I wasn't even speeding but it was wet so it wasn't a night to
stand it on the front wheel.

Maybe driving about with the lights on was a mistake because I don't do it
now and nobody has cut me up in the Rangie yet that I've noticed. Or maybe
two tons of Solihull steel just grabs the attention more. The white helmet,
yellow jacket and the headlight was normally the business: you came up behind
people and they dropped back to the speed-limit like magic.

nigelH



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My new bike (Honda Fireblade) doesn't have a switch for the dipped headlight
or sidelights. They come on a soon as the ignition is turned on. I always
rode with them on anyway- its amazing how many drivers simply don't see
you!!!!! (No need for a radio there are too many idiots on the road to keep
you occupied trying to second guess what they are going to do)



"Srtgray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> GbH wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>>On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
>>>
>>>NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my ?5K
>>>bike off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like because
>>>drivers DON'T use their eyes!
>>
>>
>> Sorry you think it's a good plan to drive around blinding other drivers?
>> Methinks tis you who's the dipstick. Please go have your high speed
>> accident
>> elsewhere where it doesn't involve me!
>
> I think you are right, GbH. When I was a regular rider, I didn't use my
> headlights at all during the day (as was standard MAG advice), precisely
> because (a) it annoyed the bejesus out of car drivers, who (b) became
> used to them and so started to ignore them (or took them as a signal to
> pull out of a side road - "'ere Mate, you flashed at me to pull out in
> front of you, why did you run into me?") and (c) because once every one
> started doing it, the Gubmint would say "let's make it compulsory,
> because everyone's doing it anyway"
>
> Stuart

Nick wrote:

|| My new bike (Honda Fireblade) doesn't have a switch for the dipped
|| headlight or sidelights. They come on a soon as the ignition is
|| turned on. I always rode with them on anyway- its amazing how many
|| drivers simply don't see you!!!!! (No need for a radio there are too
|| many idiots on the road to keep you occupied trying to second guess
|| what they are going to do)
||
||
||
|| "Srtgray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
|| news:[email protected]...
||| GbH wrote:
|||| [email protected] wrote:
||||
||||| On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote:
|||||
|||||
|||||| Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
|||||
||||| NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my
||||| ?5K bike off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like
||||| because drivers DON'T use their eyes!
||||
||||
|||| Sorry you think it's a good plan to drive around blinding other
|||| drivers? Methinks tis you who's the dipstick. Please go have your
|||| high speed accident
|||| elsewhere where it doesn't involve me!
|||
||| I think you are right, GbH. When I was a regular rider, I didn't
||| use my headlights at all during the day (as was standard MAG
||| advice), precisely because (a) it annoyed the bejesus out of car
||| drivers, who (b) became used to them and so started to ignore them
||| (or took them as a signal to pull out of a side road - "'ere Mate,
||| you flashed at me to pull out in front of you, why did you run into
||| me?") and (c) because once every one started doing it, the Gubmint
||| would say "let's make it compulsory, because everyone's doing it
||| anyway"
|||
||| Stuart

I tried it both ways in my biking days, and headlight on is definitely the
way to go. I reckoned it reduced the incidence of cars pulling out etc to
about 1/10 of when I rode with it off.

However, speaking as a car driver, a headlight on full beam makes you look
away and screw your eyes up, even in broad daylight - exactly the opposite
of what is needed. A dipped headlight is bright enough to catch the
attention and show the location of the bike, so that appropriate action can
be taken. ****ing off motorists by half-blinding them is a second
undesirable effect of full beam, but not the worst from a bikers point of
view. Having every motorist in your path looking the other way is a
definite disadvantage.

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GbH wrote:

|| Doubt that fitting pedestrians with DRLs is possible, cerainly not
|| politically.

Shhhhhhhhh! Don't give 'em ideas.

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[email protected] wrote:
> On 13-Aug-2006, "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Indeed, but must they keep them on main beam all the time?
>
>
> NO!!, i'd rather you pull out on me and write both my life and my £5K bike
> off!!! Don't be such a dipstick, bikers use theirs like because drivers
> DON'T use their eyes!

Dipped, not main. I ride my Blackbird all the time with dipped. Main
beam just blinds other road users and is a silly idea,

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:52:46 +0100, William Tasso wrote:

> No idea about profitability, but the road seemed to be working just
> fine on the few occasions I used it last year.

Aye, and the people who have come up here and used said it was fine and
looking at my YQ I don't see the huge traffic jam along the orginal M6
from J4 all the way up to J12 and the top end of the M5. This used to be
the case every working day, all day.

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