Gems ecu

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rasheed

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I have an interesting phenomenon of more power and smoother driving at night or early in the morning than during the heat of the day. Its hitting over 38 degrees in the middle of the day and I notice consistently when it gets above about 30 the car just loses power and it feels like I'm towing a dead elephant. Am I right in guessing this is ECU/MAF related and that its changing the mapping somehow to cope with what it considers (a) thinner air or (b) extreme ambient heat conditions? Also at about those temperatures the AC quits. There are other AC related problems I'll get to later but could it be the BECM or ECU telling the AC to leave off and not put additional load on the engine?

So two questions, why lose power if its hot outside and why does the AC die when most needed? Hope better brains than mine will weigh in!

Cheers.

Edit: Correction - AC stops cooling but does not quit. It IS an extra load on the engine, (this is the other issue, it feels much heavier over the last few days, noticeably sapping engine performance where it was fairly imperceptible before). Switching it off at the HEVAC unit disengages the compressor clutch and frees up the car a leeeetle bit. This is not in Berlin by the way its in Dhaka where I "commute" for work.
 
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Your are spot on,the hevac ecu makes a request to the gems ecu for engagement of the A/C compressor clutch.If conditions are good for gems it sends a grant signal back down a different wire,the hevac can then output to the compressor clutch or its relay on later cars.
All you need to do is get it on Testbook and see what all the temp sensors are showing when your A/C cuts out.Think you will find that one of them is giving implausible signals as the car should cope with the temps you are talking about.
From memory the gems can use the condensor fans to aid engine cooling,even after the ignition is turned off.
 
any idea why my condenser fans dont appear to cut in?they do work,i disconnected them and powered them up.do they run off a sensor or from the hevac?cheers

They run off the switch by the condenser.

If you lie underneath the front LH side, you can see the switch from underneath.
If the switch is faulty, they don't get the 'grant' signal to the fans
and it can prevent the compressor running too.
You can short out the plug into the switch with a small piece of wire,
and see if the fans start running.

The one you are looking for is the lower switch with 2 wires, not the upper
trinary switch with three wires.

I know in some hotter countries, they leave this switch spragged out
to give extra cooling to the engines (v8) all the time.
 
Your are spot on,the hevac ecu makes a request to the gems ecu for engagement of the A/C compressor clutch.If conditions are good for gems it sends a grant signal back down a different wire,the hevac can then output to the compressor clutch or its relay on later cars.
All you need to do is get it on Testbook and see what all the temp sensors are showing when your A/C cuts out.Think you will find that one of them is giving implausible signals as the car should cope with the temps you are talking about.
From memory the gems can use the condensor fans to aid engine cooling,even after the ignition is turned off.


cheers eight. i'll get it on a diag first then and come back to you if (when!) i've more questions than answers...
 
any idea why my condenser fans dont appear to cut in?they do work,i disconnected them and powered them up.do they run off a sensor or from the hevac?cheers

On mine it was the blue/black wire from the trinary switch that had broken where it goes across the chassis in front of the rad. If you look at the threads on using the electric fans for cooling you will see that that is where I break in to operate the fans.:)
 
The main reason that the condenser fans don't come on in the UK and similar climates is that the condenser sits directly in front of the engine radiator and is a similar size. When the car is moving or idling, the engine fan pulls the air over the condenser first, it then reaches the engine radiator where it has already cooled the condenser. As the condenser fans are controlled either by the pressure switch OR the engine ecu via the coolant temperature sensor (Petrol models), the fans will not energise unless the refrigerant pressure trips the pressure switch (Refrigerant gets too hot) or the coolant temperature is too high and the engine ecu decides that the viscous fan needs help.

In climates with relatively high ambient temperatures, the fans do come on more frequently.

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Remember where I said the ac still worked when its not so hot outside but that it seems to be putting quite a load on the engine. The compressor was on its way out. It's now seized solid.

So.... thanks everyone for your help. Time for a new thread though!
 
rasheed, just fix the compressor and then route the air intake to the ac blower

leave aircon on all the time then your guaranteed cool air for the engine!!!

problem solved!!
 
aye tom. goes with the territory. as i was trying to gently explain to a newbie on another thread who cussed me off for being a snob. :rolleyes:

good to see you still visit gav. how's the saab? missing the p38 yet? :D that said i had been thinking about a cold-air intake or home-made supercharger so while you spoke in jest its not a bad idea!
 
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