Front wheel hubs

To the swivel housing

The swivel housing is supported on adjustable and replaceable bearings. the housing itself is unlikely to be damaged - if it is, I'd be thinking about a second hand axle from a scrapyard...

mercian said:

and has hubs to sell says

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Indeed.....

There's an axle on the bay...... item # 262839318563

( just the first one that came up..... £50 and three hours left to run......possibly not much use to you if you don't know what you are looking at.... but... think I'd be changing garage )

Same as Disco1BFG proberbly needs new wheel bearings and new swivel housing bearings and seals doubt if the hub or housings will be damaged will only be able to tell that when its stripped down, easy enough job to do did mine on my rebuild never done it before only tricky part is setting the swivel housings, followed the Haynes manual or workshop manual (can't remember which getting old) and used a spring balance to set it as it told you all the rest is pretty straight forward.

If he says it's swivel housing bearings, it's generally a simple matter of taking a shimm or two from the top swivel!
He seems like one who has no idea what to do apart from emptying your wallet!

Oldseadog said:

If he says it's swivel housing bearings, it's generally a simple matter of taking a shimm or two from the top swivel!

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I'd agree with that to an extent .. we had a swivel bearing collapse on a mates Landy, gave the same symptoms. Removing a shim or two is a good first option, but it might need to have the swivel rebuilt.

Mind, in this case it was also a half-shaft, both fronts and a single rear, a CV joint, and both wheel bearings! We had spares between us, mostly Tim E, but it took a while .. I'm in the black Tee shirt, passing on 'helpful advice' .. and not taking the **** at all ..

Oldseadog said:

If he says it's swivel housing bearings, it's generally a simple matter of taking a shimm or two from the top swivel!
He seems like one who has no idea what to do apart from emptying your wallet!

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What I experienced with my last Disco D1 was that the top swivel taper roller bearing on both sides had lots of rust on the rollers and raceways allowing the right front wheel in particular to get a fair bit of neg camber and slop. The bottom bearings were still ok and had plenty of lube in them, so no matter how much I tried to adjust them by removing shims from the top pin, they remained sloppy, I had to replace all four swivel roller bearings to get it right, ended up going right through the front axle assembly, refurbed the lot, a worthwhile exercise.
All done for a very reasonable parts cost and a bit of DIY time, I was very pleased with the transformation in the driving of the car.

'Worst seen' is a common phrase to prise wallets open imo

Get a video taken and post up here

flat said:

'Worst seen' is a common phrase to prise wallets open imo

Get a video taken and post up here

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^^^^ Agreed!!

But what's this about top roller bearings?
My Fender has roller bearing on the bottom and Railko Bushes and pin on the top!!

Oldseadog said:

^^^^ Agreed!!

But what's this about top roller bearings?
My Fender has roller bearing on the bottom and Railko Bushes and pin on the top!!

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defender 300 tdi onwards use the same bearing top and bottom like rrc or disco ,people used to the earlier top bush often preload the 2 x bearing type too much as they need very little 3lbs is plenty

flat said:

'Worst seen' is a common phrase to prise wallets open imo

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Indeed. I hate "garages".

flat said:

Get a video taken and post up here

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Another vote for this !!!

jamesmartin said:

defender 300 tdi onwards use the same bearing top and bottom like rrc or disco ,people used to the earlier top bush often preload the 2 x bearing type too much as they need very little 3lbs is plenty

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Thanks for the clarification James.
I wonder what dipstick did away with the Railko in exchange for something with a short life-span as it rots away due to dampness or condensation!!
I'm just an Old Gimmer who still uses the predecimal systems ... which still work!

Oldseadog said:

Thanks for the clarification James.
I wonder what dipstick did away with the Railko in exchange for something with a short life-span as it rots away due to dampness or condensation!!
I'm just an Old Gimmer who still uses the predecimal systems ... which still work!

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Taper roller system not really as bad as they may sound, that old Disco of mine had around 300,000klm, (whatever that is in English coinage!), on it before it fully failed, and many other rigid axle four wheel drives use them, service life can also depend upon how much time the axle housing spends under water and maintenance issues such as swivel seal condition.
I'd have to agree with someone who thinks the passing of the fully oil lubed axle bearings/cv's/hubs thing was not a forward step, my old 70s RRC never had a hub/swivel/cv bearing problem all its long life, but oh the oil leaks!

Disco1BFG said:

Indeed. I hate "garages".

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Yes, I fell the same way but also understand that not everybody is mechanically gifted, and those being so must rely on workshops to keep these older vehicles on the road.
I also understand some of the reasons "garages/workshops" bung on the stuff they do, in many cases, after they've done any work on a vehicle, they will be blamed for every subsequent failure that vehicle has in the future, not in every case but I have seen it, completely unrelated failures lead to complaints against them by people with little knowledge of what was done.
I think this leads the shops to replace everything associated with the original problem just to cover their bases which all costs the customer a motza, whereas I would do enough to fix the immediate problem, because of a different level of understanding/experience and maybe financial restraint, whatever happens next is on me, it's my vehicle.