Forest Wire Kits

On or around Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:58:09 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>How so?
>
>The law say so.

vehicle "fitted with dangerous parts"

I presume however that it's legit to drive with picks and shovels adorning
the front of the 101?

On or around Sat, 30 Oct 2004 21:01:26 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:07:23 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>> Damn you Brookman! I'm keeping a tally of the keyboards you've laid
>>> waste...
>>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/8y1t
>
>Ah yes, ill fitting keyboard condoms...
>
>"Priced from £16.00 including VAT (where applicable) and delivery"
>
>Cheaper to go buy 4 new keyboards safe in the knowledge that wehjernm
>IO hjuity opnmer kleryu,. Io'#l;l; gherty opnmer cvasrtascvtyer...

or one of those virtual keyboards, then you could never damage it by
spilling stuff...

Austin Shackles wrote:

> On or around Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:58:09 +0100, Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:26:06 +0000 (UTC), "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>How so?
>>
>>The law say so.
>
> vehicle "fitted with dangerous parts"
>
> I presume however that it's legit to drive with picks and shovels adorning
> the front of the 101?

What about the 101 I see at all the shows with the workshop vice stuck on a
2' ramming prow on the front of it?

P.
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Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:32:14 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I presume however that it's legit to drive with picks and shovels adorning
>the front of the 101?

Perfectly, under Construction and Use regs.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:36:23 +0100, "Paul S. Brown"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>What about the 101 I see at all the shows with the workshop vice stuck on a
>2' ramming prow on the front of it?

Military vehicles are a bit of a law unto themselves - and so long as
there's not an operating chainsaw at ped level, you can generally get
away with anything - sadly, IMO.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:33:59 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>or one of those virtual keyboards, then you could never damage it by
>spilling stuff...

I'm kin warnin' you...

.... I'm not to be messed with (said Charlotte...)

So Mother" <"@ {m} @ was, like

> Used a corn-flakes box as a cylinder head gasket once,
>>does that count?
>>
>>> I hope you got an adult to help you cut it out?
>>
>> With a pair of blunt scissors, gloves and eye protection, I hope.
>
> Damn you Brookman! I'm keeping a tally of the keyboards you've laid
> waste...

I'll see you right - Eastnor, perhaps. What's the keyboard/beer exchange
rate at the minute?

--

Rich

Nullum Gratuitum Prandium

Mr.Nice. wrote:

> Twas Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:06:19 +0000 (UTC) when "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
>>> >>Remember also that they'd be highly illegal to use on the public
>>> >>highway.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > How so?
>>>
>>> I would have thought they would cut pedestrians in half.
>>>
>>>
>>To do that the pedestrian must have been leaning across the bonnet, with
>>their head in line with the windscreen!
>>
>>The wires don't actually go outside the shape of the vehicle, if you could
>>get yourself into a position where you would be hit by the wire, you would
>>be hit by the vehicle anyway.
>>
>
> my old 110 passed an MOT with those wires on.
> Hardly proff of legality but I'd expect them to say something if they
> were illegal.
>

I was in a bit of an odd situation earlier today (there's another post
coming up on that subject later) and had a captive traffic policeman.

I asked the question and his response was that if they constituted
unneccessary danger to the public in the event of a collision then he'd be
likely to issue a prohibition notice for them, however removable ones were
fine.

P.
--
If Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course
Does it Matter if Nobody Minds?

Unfortunately (fortunately!) the MOT police only check what's on their list.

I guess "if" you were to have an "accident" and something horrid happened
due to them being in place at the time - you would give a solicitor and his
law firm a field day! All insurance null and void to start with...etc.

If you had told your insurance company that you had made the modification
and they had agreed new terms and liabilities before any such incident
should it still be an issue?

Mssrs, Sticham, Stuffem and Stingham.


"Mr.Nice." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Twas Sat, 30 Oct 2004 19:06:19 +0000 (UTC) when "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
> put finger to keyboard producing:
>
> >> >>Remember also that they'd be highly illegal to use on the public
> >> >>highway.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > How so?
> >>
> >> I would have thought they would cut pedestrians in half.
> >>
> >>
> >To do that the pedestrian must have been leaning across the bonnet, with
> >their head in line with the windscreen!
> >
> >The wires don't actually go outside the shape of the vehicle, if you
could
> >get yourself into a position where you would be hit by the wire, you
would
> >be hit by the vehicle anyway.
> >
>
> my old 110 passed an MOT with those wires on.
> Hardly proff of legality but I'd expect them to say something if they
> were illegal.
>
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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>
> I guess "if" you were to have an "accident" and something horrid happened
> due to them being in place at the time - you would give a solicitor and
his
> law firm a field day! All insurance null and void to start with...etc.
>
But I still cant see how they are dangerous.
For a pedestrian to come in contact with them, the pedestrian needs to be
suspended about 3 feet in the air across the road, and in this case the
wires will probably help him as they will guide him over the roof rather
than letting him smash into the windscreen.
And how the hell would anyone end up in that position anyway!

Paul S. Brown <[email protected]> writes:

>>>AFAICT they are just 1/4" Stainless Steel wire, some eyelets, a couple of
>>>turnbuckles and some mounting hardware - I suspect I can get something
>>>from a yacht chandler for a bit less than the "official" kits which will
>>>do the job.

I'd be very surprised if anything from a yacht chandler turned
out to be a cheap option!

> We shall see. Tonights project is drilling lots of holes across the roof to
> mount spotlights (Dexion strip on the inside of the roof as a load
> spreader.

More lights? I thought you had one of those bonnet light-pod thingies.

Pete

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Simon Hi,

My experience with forest wires dates back to 1995 when I bought my first ex
Camel Trophy evented Discovery 200Tdi (also have a second one since year
2000) and started using it (them) as daily drivers (apart from using the
first one for the selection of the Greek CT teams for 1996, 1997 and 1998)

Forest wires ARE dangerous to pedestrians. I still have them on the second
camel which I have kept totally genuine (as a future classic vehicle and
collector's item) but I have removed them from the first one which is now
highly modified.

Forest wires are extremely helpful on dense medium to high level vegetation
(such as high bush or forest driving) BUT the human body is much more
sensitive than trees and branches. If you hit a pedestrian's hand (and there
are a lot of people who tend to try to pass the road and do not look left
and/or right first or point their hands while they walk etc) or worse still
if you hit a pedestrian and knock him/her on your bonnet it is definately
sure that you will inflict serious wounds and possible mutilation to his/her
body.

On the other hand the European Union directive which governs national road
standards legislations clearly states that the items which may be considered
dangerous for pedestrians or occupants of other vehicles HAVE to extrude
(point out) from the outer dimensions of the vehicle.
In this sense forest wires are WITHIN the vehicle's standard factory outer
dimensions since they start from the bonnet and finish on the roofline or
within the specified by law and allowed margin of 5 cm (if I remember well)

Take care
Pantelis Giamarellos
(who had won a court case against him for the standard factory fitted
equipment on his Camel Trophy Discovery 200Tdi, fitted with forest wires)



"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > I guess "if" you were to have an "accident" and something horrid
happened
> > due to them being in place at the time - you would give a solicitor and
> his
> > law firm a field day! All insurance null and void to start with...etc.
> >
> But I still cant see how they are dangerous.
> For a pedestrian to come in contact with them, the pedestrian needs to be
> suspended about 3 feet in the air across the road, and in this case the
> wires will probably help him as they will guide him over the roof rather
> than letting him smash into the windscreen.
> And how the hell would anyone end up in that position anyway!
>
>

"SimonJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message

> The wires don't actually go outside the shape of the vehicle, if you could
> get yourself into a position where you would be hit by the wire, you would
> be hit by the vehicle anyway.


Sure - but I reckon being hit by a Land Rover, however hard, is better
than being decapitated, which is what these wires have the potential
to do. It's like the bull bars argument, but worse. Who needs them
for driving in town, apart from the looks?

Make 'em removeable, and only use them when needed, i.e. off-road.

Rich

On or around Mon, 01 Nov 2004 13:17:08 +0000, Mr.Nice.
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>I use lanes around 4 days a week upon which these wires would be
>useful, I am considering them again as I'm sick of things hitting the
>windscreen.

I was glad of the bull bar on mine today. logging lorry with tall load took
off a medium-sized branch which fell down on the front of mine, had it not
had the bullbar there'd now be an impressive dent in the bonnet.