fitting fog lamps to dse and ROVACOM HAMPSHIRE ?

Hi guys, little bit of advice please- ive read up on fitting fogs, i have a 96 dse manual, so no gear box oil cooler

got fogs,looms, and rear switch, finaly got round to taking the plunge

checked on mine the white fog connectors are down there, not checked the switch plug yet- is that easy to find ? how exactly do i get to it ?

ive read about a relay ? this is what im not clear on, do i need the relay ? can anyone please tell me where to look for it and what it looks like/where it should be or go, so if not i can get one from a breaker

i understand some have reported fitting and they worked, some have needed to get the bcem told to put them on

is anyone near chichecter/portsmouth etc wioth one who can do that if needed or recomend anywhere ? (if so id also like the EAS re calibrated and checked to see its all level etc, and would rather bung a few quid to a forum member than pay someone random or dealer rates lol (how much would they be ?)

thanks guys

I'm not to far away. I've not tried to (or needed to) fit fogs so can't answer your question on if the wiring is present. I can however help if the BECM needs programming but before you do anything more check your BECM is the high spec version. Some of the lower spec cars had a cheaper Low spec BECM. I believe you need to try look at the top of BECM and see if it has a H or L on it. It's on a sticker which is just above the fuses. As you look in from the fuse panel door

thanks for the reply, yes your not far away , il send you a pm tomorrow, can you check and re calibrate the EAS and check they are all at the proper levels etc ?

im hoping the fogs will just work, and its the relay information i need and to check- and fit and plug them in and see if they want to work

i have already checked the other day when thinking about fitting electic seats, and have the low line L becm, so i decided not to bother

however- i do know where there is a highline one i can get, (not sure how much yet)

but is it worth getting it ? are they easy to remove and put in and can you do the whole swap over thing ? are there any other benefits for doing it or is it best off leaving well alone if all is well ?

i did speak to someone about it last week and they wanted £200 so for that, plus seat and becm cost, and hasstle,it wasnt worth contemplating just for electric seats !!!

As far as fogs are concerned the BECM 'level' doesn't matter, they'll all power them as long as it is programmed. The wiring will be behind the switch blank but will only fit the correct switch. There is no relay, it's all done by the BECM.

polsta said:

thanks for the reply, yes your not far away , il send you a pm tomorrow, can you check and re calibrate the EAS and check they are all at the proper levels etc ?

im hoping the fogs will just work, and its the relay information i need and to check- and fit and plug them in and see if they want to work

i have already checked the other day when thinking about fitting electic seats, and have the low line L becm, so i decided not to bother

however- i do know where there is a highline one i can get, (not sure how much yet)

but is it worth getting it ? are they easy to remove and put in and can you do the whole swap over thing ? are there any other benefits for doing it or is it best off leaving well alone if all is well ?

i did speak to someone about it last week and they wanted £200 so for that, plus seat and becm cost, and hasstle,it wasnt worth contemplating just for electric seats !!!

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That's good news about the Fogs not being an issue with the Low BECM. I can check your EAS for you no problem

dogsbody- thanks for that excellent, the white plugs are there as said , hopefully not corroded, but have more ,connected to the fogs it was cutt off before the plugs

any info on the dash switch ? ie what/how/where to look for the conector ? will it be towards the right ? can i see it/fish for it behind the blank removed without removing anything else ?

doz, excellent, ive sent a pm !

polsta said:

dogsbody- thanks for that excellent, the white plugs are there as said , hopefully not corroded, but have more ,connected to the fogs it was cutt off before the plugs

any info on the dash switch ? ie what/how/where to look for the conector ? will it be towards the right ? can i see it/fish for it behind the blank removed without removing anything else ?

doz, excellent, ive sent a pm !

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The plugs under the bonnet will almost certainly be knackered, especially if the car has ever been off-roaded and there's not a lot of room or spare cable to replace them. I did it lying underneath. Similarly the loom behind the switches is tight, running from switch to switch, so you'll have to be lucky to fish it out and fit the switch, which has got to be a front fog switch from a P38. Is there any other work that you could do in the dash? Any other failed bulbs in the HEVAC or other switches that would make it worthwhile stripping it out? It might be easier in the long run.

ok i guess il have to have a look, any tips on how to fish out the switch cable from dash ?

no no other bulbs or anything, sorted all that sort of thing when i 1st got it a couple of years ago, so ideally dont want to get all that jazz out, but will if its the only way

the white fog connectors, are at the bottom just above where fogs are, not had a good look at them as the ground was wet and wasnt going to roll around in it, bu as said- i do also have replacement connectors if needed attached to the fogs (cut off with both connectors still)

Just double checking. In your first post you say that you have a REAR fog switch. You need a FRONT fog switch as all of the switch plug/sockets are slightly different.

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Just double checking. In your first post you say that you have a REAR fog switch. You need a FRONT fog switch as all of the switch plug/sockets are slightly different.

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+1

also chances are you will need to replace the white plug behind the bumper as the pins will be corroded and no good. Get yourself on ebay you can buy sureseal connectors for as little as 99p!! If you have the high line BECM then they will just work no need to be activated.

Have fogs on my 2.5 auto (yes I moved the cooler)

thanks guyys, update-

the connectors/pins looked ok,nice and clean etc tucked up in to place, obviously is fiddley they dont pull out much/far enough to really see properly but looked ok, so i fitted the lamps and breather pipes

i had the correct front switch, i removed the blank, popped out the rear fog switch , and with tweezers, long nose pliars, and 15 minutes of fiddling around (was tricky) i managed to get the plug out

but sadly the fogs didnt work (yes tied with lights on etc to no avail), the light on the switch doesnt come on like the rear

so- what do i do 1st ? its a lowling becm, so would 1st thing to do is get it plugged in and check/turn the fog lights on in the becm ?

if i do need new connectors (ive got the ones that were still attached to the fogs and look nice) ...how on earth do you connect/replace the old ones ? hardly any room to maneuver under there, im a big lad and it was hard enough connecting them haha, hopefully i wont have to remove them all again, they look good

polsta said:

thanks guyys, update-

the connectors/pins looked ok,nice and clean etc tucked up in to place, obviously is fiddley they dont pull out much/far enough to really see properly but looked ok, so i fitted the lamps and breather pipes

i had the correct front switch, i removed the blank, popped out the rear fog switch , and with tweezers, long nose pliars, and 15 minutes of fiddling around (was tricky) i managed to get the plug out

but sadly the fogs didnt work (yes tied with lights on etc to no avail), the light on the switch doesnt come on like the rear

so- what do i do 1st ? its a lowling becm, so would 1st thing to do is get it plugged in and check/turn the fog lights on in the becm ?

if i do need new connectors (ive got the ones that were still attached to the fogs and look nice) ...how on earth do you connect/replace the old ones ? hardly any room to maneuver under there, im a big lad and it was hard enough connecting them haha, hopefully i wont have to remove them all again, they look good

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I'm not sure, but I don't think the lo-line BECM supports fog lights, if it does, they may need activating with diagnostics.

The factory fit Lo-line becms did not support front fog lamps. If anyone has fog lamps working via the becm, it's a hi-line becm (even if its labeled as a lo-line). Activating the front fogs via the becm programming will switch on the bulb failure monitoring for the fog lamps, but as Johnnycash said, the front fogs should work without it. If you have a lo-line becm, then the easy solution (in my opinion), would be to by-pass the becm and use a relay, but you need the correct components to make the relay work with a none latching switch.

whaaaaat ?


are you certain ? so is it just worth testing/plugging it in to the software, and turning on to see if it will work ?

if not- then what components would i need ?

do i use the existing wiring and switch ? or just ignore that and wire them on a direct feed and power to an extra switch ?

i do know of a Highline becm , removed from a same year as mine, from a petrol 4.6 tho (mines diesel)

if i got it cheap, is it an easy job to swap with mine ? i know they have to have the info swapped over from mine , is it possible even if its from a petrol ?

how long time wise, would it be to swap over ? or should i steer well clear as mine is all running fine (i dont want to get in to hasstle over this and break things)

Had a quick look through the previous comments and could not see if your vehicle had a hi-line or lo-line becm. Does it have a H or L on the white label above the becm fusebox. Changing becms can be a nightmare, so would recommend that if your becm is working fine, then leave it alone. A becm from a petrol will work on a diesel, but you need the key handsets from the other vehicle that the becm came from as they will be matched to the becm. As your car is a 96MY, you need to get the engine ecu synchronised to the becm or vehicle won't start. There is also a risk that you will transfer the odometer mileage from the becm to the Ipack (if becm mileage is higher). There are a lot of risks of you immobilizing your vehicle or screwing up the mileage on your Ipack, so only change a becm if you really have too.
If your becm is a genuine low line, the part that you need is a latching relay, ie it works with a none latching switch (which from memory is what the std front fog switch is).I've just checked ebay and there is a relay there for £17.

ok thanks for the info, appriciate it

mine is a L becm, ive seen something about returned becms/being re proramed by RR to highline, or something or other via google

but i do have someone lined up who can turn fogs on etc and check my EAS anyway (and to recalibrate) , so preume no harmmin plugging it in and trying if anything happens ?

as i thought, sounds like a nightmare to swap/get involved in, do not have the keys from the other becms car anyway, so i wont even contemplate meddling with mine !!

so if it doesnt work, and i need that relay - what do i do exactly ? where does that go and wiring wise what happens/needed to get them working ?

i buy the relay, then what ?

thanks

I used to work at a Landrover dealership as an electrician many years ago and have changed many becms, so know the pitfalls of changing a becm. I also remember (and this ties in with what you heard) and that is the service becms were all high lines. High lines will work in a low line vehicle but a low line becm won't work in a highline vehicle. To save the supplier making 2 different levels of becm, they made just the highline unit and labeled some with low line part numbers. So if you have a replacement becm, then it could be a high line. Over the weekend, I'll sketch out a circuit diagram for you, its a lot easier than me trying to explain in writing. By the way the hardware is different between the 2 types of becm, low line has a depopulated pcb.

Hi JohnnyCrash i have a 2.5 auto with front fogs and upto now ive had no probs with the cooler, but i would be interested to know how and where you moved your cooler to thanks Jeff

Whilst I will always bow to greater knowledge I still believe that a low level BECM will support front fogs. Not personal experience but Rick-the-Pick, the BECM guru, once said that the only difference was in their support for fully powered seats & mirrors.
I would still try plugging in a decent diagnostic tool to see if they can be powered. It won't do any harm. If it fails please accept my apologies and I will add this to my P38 knowledge.