Fake odometer reading???

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Hi everyone...as far as i know it's very hard even impossible on Disco2 but i must ask: do u know, is it possible to have a smaller mileage on the odometer than the real mileage of the motor???.......if yes, can we discover that?
 
Altering the mileage on a digital odometer is quite easy, you simply need a laptop the know how and the correct program to access the data. It's much harder & time consuming with a mechanical odometer. Only way to really tell it's been "clocked" is by the condition of the vehicle.
 
Dewin said:
Altering the mileage on a digital odometer is quite easy, you simply need a laptop the know how and the correct program to access the data. It's much harder & time consuming with a mechanical odometer. Only way to really tell it's been "clocked" is by the condition of the vehicle.
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Thanks for the reply mate...... but i'm affraid that for Disco2 is a bit more complicated:doh: cos the odometer value is stored in the BCU and there is a protocol inserted by LR which makes the BCU odometer value to set equal with the LCD odometer value if the BCU value is less....and the LCD has its own memory which cant be accessed........or can it:eek:
Supposing that a hacker is smarter than this and has a program to override the diagnostic protocols and the BCU settings:frusty: ..... the big question is : How do we know it's fake???? .....(on other cars if u plug in the scanner it'll show the real mileage and u just have to compare it with the odometer .....it seems for Disco 2 is diffferent)
 
If they've clocked it properly - You don't!

But, if you look properly at the service history and MoTs it should show up any anomolies. Also there's the general condition of the vehicle, and if the price is too good to be true, etc. Basically its buyer beware. If you purchase it from a dealer and do subsequently find out its been clocked (and can prove it) there's legal recourse, but don't rely on it (and it would be a bunch of hassle).
 
sierrafery said:
Thanks for the reply mate...... but i'm affraid that for Disco2 is a bit more complicated:doh: cos the odometer value is stored in the BCU and there is a protocol inserted by LR which makes the BCU odometer value to set equal with the LCD odometer value if the BCU value is less....and the LCD has its own memory which cant be accessed........or can it:eek:
Supposing that a hacker is smarter than this and has a program to override the diagnostic protocols and the BCU settings:frusty: ..... the big question is : How do we know it's fake???? .....(on other cars if u plug in the scanner it'll show the real mileage and u just have to compare it with the odometer .....it seems for Disco 2 is diffferent)
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Don't know much about the electronics of the D2 but if LR have pre-programmed a tampering program for the mileage then that can only be a good thing, but I have seen a recent Mercedes "clocked" in a matter of minutes. I reckon Ratty would know more on this issue.
 
Thats what i'm waiting for.... somebody to tell me that its impossible to delude the Disco2's odometer;)...then we'll be chuffed with our Land Rover's:D
 
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Land rover did this from the p38 on. The clocks hold the milage and so does the bcu (discovery) or becam (range rover), so what ever part you replace the other part will automatically adjust to the higher milage.
If you have a car with 29000 on it and replace the clock or bcu with one from a car with 140000 on it that will be your cars new milage.
I may be wrong but i think if you can prove the correct milage of your car the T4 test book is the only thing that can adjust the milage, but you have to prove the lower milage to the dealer before they will do it
Mark
 
Hi all, interesting thread, reminds me of a situation some years ago. Around 2000/2001, a large vehicle rental company returned a batch of 12 month old Rover 75's. The vehicles went directly back to Rover, and it was then that the fun began, allegedly. These cars apparently had less mileage on the odometer than was logged on the main 'brain'. Seem to recall quite some fun and games..............
 
Sierrafery: It's very easy, because I have done it...

I replaced my dash because the liar of a car salesman I bought the disco off broke the old ACE light off rather than fixing the ACE. Therefore, the mileage flashed because the real mileage is 100000miles rather than the 70000 the new dash was displaying.

Nanocom's stupid sync odometer function doesn't let me sync the new dash mileage - it just doesnt work and Mattia doesn't feel that replying customers is one of his priorities. One of nanocom's features, however, is to turn off the flag that makes the mile counter flash, which DOES work. So my dash now says 70000 (nonflashing, and does increment as expected) whereas the BCU still reads 100000 ish (also incrementing). I will have to pay to get the two sync'd properly one day when I sell it, but at the moment, at least the odometer doesn't flash.

David
 
Thanks David, so ....one way is to change the LCD odometer with a lower mileage one and own a nanocom.....lets hope u can't resync the BCU to the lower mileage.
 
Another way would be to replace the BCU with one with a lower mileage from another vehicle.... I'm sure if someone wanted to rewrite the BCU eeprom it would be possible...

David
 
As was said earlier its a doddle with a laptop and the right software. Even cars like BMW, Merc and VAG which store the mileage in the odometer, ECU and key can all be frigged.

One lad at work bought a Passat with 58K showing on the clock. He had some work done at main dealer who centralise service records. Their systems showed it had been serviced last by VW at 167K miles

TONY
 
Hedgehog70 said:
As was said earlier its a doddle with a laptop and the right software. Even cars like BMW, Merc and VAG which store the mileage in the odometer, ECU and key can all be frigged.

One lad at work bought a Passat with 58K showing on the clock. He had some work done at main dealer who centralise service records. Their systems showed it had been serviced last by VW at 167K miles

TONY
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Hi Tony.....I knew about VAG-COM protocol german cars but i stick on the ideea that Land Rovers are different. A proof is that on german cars u can use any cheap universal scanners/code readers which connected to a Land Rover are showing u nothing........for those german(and not just german) cars if u have an interface to laptop u can buy cheap CD/s with full diagnostic and programing softwares........i wish i could've done that for my Discovery even with the risk to easyly override the odometer;)
 
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