Double d clutching
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tottot
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The double declutch is well worth learning for non syncro gears,first and second on a 2a. Mostly for going from third to second. Second to first is not so easy as the first gear is straight cut and going to it needs to be done at standstill or very low speed at least until you get the hang of matching the engine speed to the road speed for the gear you are in which will be slow anyway.
To double it is clutch in,out of third to neutral,pause the gear lever and clutch up,clutch in and select second,clutch up.This all happens in under two seconds.
You could also try the "blip change". Clutch in, gear lever to neutral pause and blip the throttle, select gear,clutch out. The blip gives a chance for the engine and gear speeds to match and engage. Also good to help worn syncro box's keep going some.
To double it is clutch in,out of third to neutral,pause the gear lever and clutch up,clutch in and select second,clutch up.This all happens in under two seconds.
You could also try the "blip change". Clutch in, gear lever to neutral pause and blip the throttle, select gear,clutch out. The blip gives a chance for the engine and gear speeds to match and engage. Also good to help worn syncro box's keep going some.
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I used to just pull away in first using the clutch then mostly used the blip method without using the clutch
came in real handy over the years picking up motors with knackered clutches
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I always blip the accelerator quite a bit. Seems to make changes between 3-2 far smoother.
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I used to be very good at double de-clutching and when I got the Series I was looking forward to showing my prowess. But, double declutching really works best when you "heel and toe" so you brake with your heel and dip the cluch with your toe. I've never been able to get the Series pedals adjusted to make it doable. Basic double de-cluthing is essenstially changeing into neutral than changeing again from neutral to the gear you want, In reality on a Series with 4/3 syncho its easier to pull up in 3rd then change into neutral. I do blip and double de-clutch for 3-2nd if the traffic suddenly speeds up just when I was stopping but I pretty much never change 2 to 1 on the move, its too much faff when I'm usually about to stop anyway. One of teh great things about an overdive is you get anotehr syncho gear so you can do quite lot with 3, 3+od, 4, 4+od all with syncho changes.
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If you put pressure on the gearstick without forcing the gear, it will fall into the gear when the appropriate road speed and box speed equalise.
This may require waiting for the engine speed to slow or increasing the engine speed depending if your changing up or down.
This may require waiting for the engine speed to slow or increasing the engine speed depending if your changing up or down.
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try a twin split eaton box its a mans box
I had a Foden two stroke in the sixties with a Foden 12 speed (four on the floor 3 splits on the column) couldn't wait to get to work every morning
Double de clutching relies on making two definate moves when changing gear, out, pause then into next one, blip whilst in neutral if going down box, I still take out of gear, wait momentarily then go into next rather than doing it in one move.
I thought heel and toe was brake and accelerator... ie a way of blipping the throttle while braking at the same time.
wiki (FWIW) seems to agree: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel-and-toe
tottot
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Even the series 3 syncro box likes you to take your time and doing a blip going down to second and first.
rob1miles
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j.g, You are right, heel and toe is heel on brake and toe on accelerator, can I please claim a "senior moment"? Still couldn't get it to work on the series.
(I'm sitting here driving my desk to see what feels right...)
(I'm sitting here driving my desk to see what feels right...)
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Mines a series 3 and I double de-clutch on down changes. Well, I do when it's possible - as already mentioned heel and toe is very tricky - if I need to be braking and changing down then I'll not do it!
