Door lock key

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JonFre

JonFre

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I recently found myself locked out of my Freelander 2004 with the keys inside. ( God knows how this happened!) Fortunately I was near home and a taxi ride to collect my spare keys solved the problem.
It occurred to me that if I had a hidden simple key that would open the door (obviously it would not start the car) I could then get at the locked in keys.
I have tried two locksmiths who have cut keys that fit into the lock but in both cases the keys will not turn and do the unlock.
One locksmith said there must be a chip in the key that operates the mechanism in the door lock. Does anyone know if our door locks have such a mechanism?
 
JonFre said:
I recently found myself locked out of my Freelander 2004 with the keys inside. ( God knows how this happened!) Fortunately I was near home and a taxi ride to collect my spare keys solved the problem.
It occurred to me that if I had a hidden simple key that would open the door (obviously it would not start the car) I could then get at the locked in keys.
I have tried two locksmiths who have cut keys that fit into the lock but in both cases the keys will not turn and do the unlock.
One locksmith said there must be a chip in the key that operates the mechanism in the door lock. Does anyone know if our door locks have such a mechanism?
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No there is no sensor in the door lock, only the steering lock has one. They are not cutting the key correctly or are using the wrong blank!!
 
Nodge68 said:
No there is no sensor in the door lock, only the steering lock has one. They are not cutting the key correctly or are using the wrong blank!!
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What surprises me Nodge is that the possibly biggest supplier of spare keys in the UK, ie Timpsons, cannot after two attempts produce a key that although it will enter the lock it will not turn it.
 
JonFre said:



What surprises me Nodge is that the possibly biggest supplier of spare keys in the UK, ie Timpsons, cannot after two attempts produce a key that although it will enter the lock it will not turn it.
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It's all to do with how the new blank is secured into the grinder!! If it's out by a fraction then it cuts the key wrong by a fraction. Bare in mind that the door lock will be almost completely un-used so it will be very key fussy ;)
 
check that your normal key will work in the door locks - The lock barrel can seize up due to never being used. Once that is certain, retry the copied key.

A skoosh of wd40 will help to free up the lock. When the fob battery died in the key for my peugeot, the key took a lot of persuasion to work the lock barrel.
 
dave21478 said:
check that your normal key will work in the door locks - The lock barrel can seize up due to never being used. Once that is certain, retry the copied key.

A skoosh of wd40 will help to free up the lock. When the fob battery died in the key for my peugeot, the key took a lot of persuasion to work the lock barrel.
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 The normal key is ok, I have demonstrated this many times to Timpsons when their key wont turn!
 
JonFre said:

The normal key is ok, I have demonstrated this many times to Timpsons when their key wont turn!
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Push the copied key in till it can't go in any more then pull it out a couple of mm then try it to turn it again, if it then works the key is cut wrong.
 
now here is a little trick I am going to try, my latest freelander only has one key with it and I have a spare fob , so I am going to program the fob and get a cheap key cut , then thought i would take out the chip of my key and tape it next to the key sensor around the ignition barrel so if my wife uses the newly progamed fob and then can use the cheap key if I do it I will let you know ,But I bet the insurers would not like it
 
teddywood1 said:
now here is a little trick I am going to try, my latest freelander only has one key with it and I have a spare fob , so I am going to program the fob and get a cheap key cut , then thought i would take out the chip of my key and tape it next to the key sensor around the ignition barrel so if my wife uses the newly progamed fob and then can use the cheap key if I do it I will let you know ,But I bet the insurers would not like it
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Done that a few times! Thing is the thief has no idea it's done so its not really gonna make any difference!


DD
 
Nodge68 said:
Push the copied key in till it can't go in any more then pull it out a couple of mm then try it to turn it again, if it then works the key is cut wrong.
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Unfortunately I haven't any copied keys, Timpson's realised I would not pay £7 a time for a key that would not work and kept them. Mean old bunch aren't they?
 
I've only got one key and fob for mine but went and got an uncoded key cut today - the bloke in there said that I can use the uncoded key with the fob, and just keep the original coded key as a spare....He reckoned that both the coded key and fob have immobiliser chips in them - I haven't had chance to try it yet, but is he right?
 
you really need the chip that is on the key or it will not start or should not, the chip in the keep if you take it apart looks like a minute coffin
 
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I tried using the uncoded key with the door fob today - and found the door fob is just that. It unlocks the doors and doesn't immobilise unlike the guy from the key cutting place said.

Looks like I could do with getting a coded key sorted sometime, but won't be bothering with the door unlock fob so will save a few £ there.
 
Timpsons told me that they couldn't copy the chip in the key for my 51 plate (BMW T4 chip IIRC), apparently it's about the only type of chip they can't match.
As for the key not operating the lock, it must be cut wrong. I had one cut for my disco that had one of the points broken off but the locksmith cut a replacement and that worked first time.
Guy Salmon in Wakefield quoted me £130 ish plus two to three days for a genuine part.
 
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