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I don't really pay much attention to the Euro challenge type events, if there are many teams using these huge challenge trucks competing on level terms then ok I can understand.They just seem huge to me
I'm not against spending money on a comp motor and I wasn't implying that my branch of 4x4 has better drivers,
no if I had the cash I would buy a milner and do French events, I haven't so I do ALRC
But then I like Land Rovers so another reason I do ALRC.

As for engineering Milner make there own gearboxes,shocks, steering racks, drive shafts and frames etc.

Millers evoque was awesome, I haven't seen there stuff race but I can't see why it wouldn't work,

The ART stuff yeah alot of the components are imported but only because that's what the best stuff avilable is, and there's no point trying to make something that someone else makes better for cheaper. I love the work that goes into those trucks, there's some serious skill in making one of those frames.

The fact is at the moment there simply arn't any competitions in the uk for that style of truck, it's a very American/euro style that those trucks are designed for, and until some people in the uk want those trucks we won't see those types of events yet.

I do agree that skill of the driver in most circumstances is what wins comps, and drivers that have been competing in ALRC etc would have an advantage over a novice, but in a whole new type of offroading to what your used to its more of a level playing field.

It would be interesting though to square up each truck, the massive ART ones and a good ALRC truck against each other on each ones favoured event :)
 
I don't really pay much attention to the Euro challenge type events, if there are many teams using these huge challenge trucks competing on level terms then ok I can understand.They just seem huge to me
I'm not against spending money on a comp motor and I wasn't implying that my branch of 4x4 has better drivers,
no if I had the cash I would buy a milner and do French events, I haven't so I do ALRC
But then I like Land Rovers so another reason I do ALRC.

As for engineering Milner make there own gearboxes,shocks, steering racks, drive shafts and frames etc.

Milner are class leaders, that has never been questioned.
I dont think we have the available terrain(as in open to us) to really see the euro type events.

Have I nearly started a proper debate on lz:)
 
Chris bowler came 15th KoV 108 inch series 1 comper far from ideal for KoV but did well no Alrc motor would be amazing because they are built to do one type of event as these buggys are built to do what they do. I do wonder tho how a super lightweight buggy would perform over huge weight of Chevy engined huge heavyweight would perform.

If you could get a 40 inch tyred 80 inch with an ok winch at around 1 tonne instead of 2.6 that a lot of the tdi 100 inch motors are pushing. Possibly impossible but its gotta take a lot of strain of all components when driving hard
 
There are lots of motors going up for sale to fund these type of builds since gigglepin almost won their class but was disqual for whatever reasons in KoH usa
 
Millers evoque was awesome, I haven't seen there stuff race but I can't see why it wouldn't work,

The ART stuff yeah alot of the components are imported but only because that's what the best stuff avilable is, and there's no point trying to make something that someone else makes better for cheaper. I love the work that goes into those trucks, there's some serious skill in making one of those frames.

The fact is at the moment there simply arn't any competitions in the uk for that style of truck, it's a very American/euro style that those trucks are designed for, and until some people in the uk want those trucks we won't see those types of events yet.

I do agree that skill of the driver in most circumstances is what wins comps, and drivers that have been competing in ALRC etc would have an advantage over a novice, but in a whole new type of offroading to what your used to its more of a level playing field.

It would be interesting though to square up each truck, the massive ART ones and a good ALRC truck against each other on each ones favoured event :)

Chris bowler finished the event I'm sure he beat bigger "better" trucks that didn't make it to the end of the event. One thing the good olde boys from competing alrc awdc etc understand is to come first, first you gotta finish. Driver sympathy vs having equipment good enough to not give a **** or a balance between the two as nothing is impossible to break.
 
Chris bowler finished the event I'm sure he beat bigger "better" trucks that didn't make it to the end of the event. One thing the good olde boys from competing alrc awdc etc understand is to come first, first you gotta finish. Driver sympathy vs having equipment good enough to not give a **** or a balance between the two as nothing is impossible to break.

Of course. You can't go round without a damn and expect nothing to go wrong, there is definitely the case for driver skill, but there is a limit of we're the mechanical parts will go
 
He won a last minute qualifier for average joe type builds but was dq for running full hydro and sticky rock tyres, that said he knew that before he raced and just took part to get rock practice
 
his stupid p&p rear a frame broke which doesnt surprise me, If rover deemed it necessary to use forged steel ,one made out of 1.75"x 3.2mm tube(which challenge wings are made from!)is just plain stupid
 
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