Disco TD5 starting issues

I've searched numerous forums posts with
To try to find and answer to my problems but haven't found what I think may be an answer as the problems don't match.

Anyway my car hates starting after being left for a few hours (especially in the morning). The glow plug light goes out and when you start it the starter turns over but it won't fire up it just turns over till it eventually starts. When it does start it's fine to drive no misfire or power issues.

If I stop and start again it starts fine.

It's had a new fuel filter, pump , diesel reg. There doesn't appear to be any diesel in sump etc.

Do people think it may be starter
Motor or more a fuel prob.

Meant to add that I have had the engine to ecu loom done but haven't checked it recently. Also a system purge doesn't seem to make any difference to it's starting.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Turn the ignition on and wait DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CRANK THE ENGINE OVER. Listen to the fuel pump. Is it noisey. Does it sound like it's gurgling? Continue waiting and see if it quietens down. If the pump stops after 30 seconds, press the accelerator pedal 5 times in quick succession. It should start up again and run non stop for a couple of mins. It is now in purge mode to help remove the air in the fuel system. Has it gone quiet now? Then try starting. If the pump was noisey and then quietened down or if it fires first time after doing the above, you have air in your fuel system and now need to start working through the fuel system to find out how the air is getting in.

ratty said:

Turn the ignition on and wait DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CRANK THE ENGINE OVER. Listen to the fuel pump. Is it noisey. Does it sound like it's gurgling? Continue waiting and see if it quietens down. If the pump stops after 30 seconds, press the accelerator pedal 5 times in quick succession. It should start up again and run non stop for a couple of mins. It is now in purge mode to help remove the air in the fuel system. Has it gone quiet now? Then try starting. If the pump was noisey and then quietened down or if it fires first time after doing the above, you have air in your fuel system and now need to start working through the fuel system to find out how the air is getting in.

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Fascinating. Thanks for the above, just solved a problem for a mate.

There is a slight gurgle / whine from pump during startup and subsequent purge but even after a full purge cycle as described it still starts poorly. Could it be the copper rings or starter or even oil in ecu.

When going it goes really well no issues once started.

Btw thanks for the help.

Also meant to add the pump canbe noisy after / during use but it's a brand new genuine pump.

sounds like injector seals are on their way out to me, had the same problem with my TD5
2001

Gonna take it to an ILR guy near me. Nothing seems to work so I'm gonna bite the bullet and suffer GBH of the wallet. Will let you know what happens.

bluesticky1 said:

Fascinating. Thanks for the above, just solved a problem for a mate.

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No probs.

Touch the monk said:

There is a slight gurgle / whine from pump during startup and subsequent purge but even after a full purge cycle as described it still starts poorly. Could it be the copper rings or starter or even oil in ecu.

When going it goes really well no issues once started.

Btw thanks for the help.

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Also meant to add the pump canbe noisy after / during use but it's a brand new genuine pump.

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When did it last have a fuel filter fitted? Was it a good quality filter or a nasty ****part jobbie?

It's unlikely to be oil in the injector loom as that tends to rear it's head when warn and not cold.

It does sound like an injector or injector seal fault.

I did the filter around 3 months. Granted it was not an expensive filter I put on but it didn't make any difference. I guess I'll see what the garage says but I bet your right about the injector seal. Will let you know the outcome once I wipe away the tears after I pay.

Thanks alot I know I'm a new member and I appreciate you helping a newbie.

Don't forget, there's 2 filters on a TD5.
You gotta change both to be sure

2 fuel filters? Where's the other one. I know of the wheel arch one?

I also experienced this on the my D2 TD5 that I have just got.
The guy did saythat he had done the injector seal and it has had a new engine loom as he had running issues, and said it was sorted.
I managed to start mine by using a jump start pack and a spare battery, It seemed to be turning over fine, but when looking at the dash upon cranking all the lights where flashing wich made me think there was not quite enough juice in the battery?
Also after one starting attempt, the 'sports mode' light and 'm' light stayed on?

Touch the monk said:

2 fuel filters? Where's the other one. I know of the wheel arch one?

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The only other filter i know is part of the fuel pump.........i dont think that one can be replaced.

sierrafery said:

The only other filter i know is part of the fuel pump.........i dont think that one can be replaced.

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Lets not forget the little metal mesh one that's under the fuel pressure regulator. Bit of a pain just to replace that imho...

David

Hi all sorry for the late response.

I had the injector seals and orings done and it is much improved. The pumps quieter and starting better. Thanks again for you help and advice.

Touch the monk said:

Hi all sorry for the late response.

I had the injector seals and orings done and it is much improved. The pumps quieter and starting better. Thanks again for you help and advice.

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nice one.

cheers for getting back to us.

This sounds like the trouble I'm having. Iv'e had the pump out of the tank to check the gauze, changed the fuel and ait filters, checked for aor leaks with soapy water while the pump is running (if air can get in then should blow bubbles while it gets out again). I can't see any wet patches on the fuel systen. I even jetwashed the engine to make it easier to see what was going on. The engine cover is staying off while investigations continue.
Then last night While I dropped my

I'm having the same kind of trouble at the moment, with my 02 td5 was it the injector seals that were causing the problem?

Mine was reluctant to start with less than half a tank of fuel.
After changing all the expensive bits turned out to be a 50p
Air Bleed Valve in the fuel pipes near the filter.

angrypants said:

I'm having the same kind of trouble at the moment, with my 02 td5 was it the injector seals that were causing the problem?

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it was, or is it? which do you mean?