Diesel additives for defenders

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BuzzLand

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Hypothetical question folks:

For the next wave of fuel rises has anyone got the knowledge on which Landrover engines can take cooking oil?

Is it good for the 200 300 and TD5?

Cheers
 
Buzzland! You're well into finding out alternative fuels aren't you! I've just replied to your message with a link to a very helpful website.

To answer your question. A 200 or 300 tdi engine will burn any oil that you throw at it, even synthetic oil JUST as long as it's thinned down to a similar viscosity to standard DERV (diesel that you by at the pumps). I had been running my older diesel engine, a 2.5 N/A on a total concoction of oils. I had been given bottles of delightfully thin petrol engine oil from one of my neighbors (surplus to his requirements) so I just whacked that in the tank along with some vegetable oil, white spirit (as a thinning agent), diesel and a splosh of petrol because it was cheaper at the time.

The best thing that you can do realistically, is go to your local garage and ask them if you can take one to two drums of waste engine oil, which they usually have to pay to dispose of. They should be more than happy to give you it. Here you have yourself a rich, almost "crude" fuel if you like that needs diluting and it's totally free. The best thing is, you need to filter it out and thin it down in order to use it, which will usually increase the amount of usable fuel that you have by about one third.

The first step is to take the smallest micron filter that you can find. Your local hydraulic engineering company should be able to provide you with some fine filter sheets. If not, just buy some very fine threaded tights and then tripple filter the oil through them. This will remove any iron / aluminium shavings from the oil that may have contaminated it in the garage's waste oil storage container. The next step is to thin it down to the same consistency as diesel. Whatever quantity of used engine oil you have. Try mixing it with 10% white spirit or 15% petrol and really thoroughly mix it. Then, allow the fuel to sit in a clean container so that any water can separate and any larger unfiltered lumps of gloop will sink to the bottom (leave it for 24 hours or so). Next job is to suck the water off the top and then syphon the "good oil" out into a jerry can, leaving some thicker gloop at the bottom. Give it a stir and add a touch more white spirit (5% at most) and it's ready to go in your tank. Just make sure that you replace your fuel filter every thousand miles or so.

In theory if you produced a 50 litre batch of "black diesel", 15% of that is going to be petrol or white spirit, leaving the remaining 85% as the waste engine oil which is FREE, so:

Petrol = £1.01 per litre
15% x 50 litres = 7.5 litres
7.5 x £1.01 = £7.58 (3SF)

So it's going to cost you approximately £7.58 for the petrol to thin down 42.5 litres of oil to produce 50 litres of fuel,
which works out at 15p per litre. So even if petrol raises to £1.30 per litre, it's only going to cost you £9.75 to produce 50 litres of fuel, which works out at 20p per litre.

By the time fuel prices get that high mind, scientists will have perfected being able to produce ethanol from algae and we'll be able to literally grow our own fuel in a pond in our own back gardens.

Good thinking!
-Pos
 
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Is it dear for the hydraulic oil? Do you get it as a freebie?
Its used oil so is effectively a waste product that most places will have to pay to get rid of. Where I live it cost about £50 per 200 litres for a licenced recycler to take it away so most garages/factories will let you have it for nothing. The most I've paid is two packets of choccie biccies for 100 litres.
I'm lucky in that my friend has a plastics moulding company that generates about 200 litres of used hydraulic oil every three months.
My local indy garage lets me take as much used engine oil as I want all for nowt.
I went down to my local car wash and blagged some 25 litre plastic drums which makes storage and mobility a bit easier than a 200 litre oil drum.
I store the used oil in my old domestic heating oil tank as its not used any more for heating.
 
Buzzland! You're well into finding out alternative fuels aren't you! I've just replied to your message with a link to a very helpful website.

To answer your question. A 200 or 300 tdi engine will burn any oil that you throw at it, even synthetic oil JUST as long as it's thinned down to a similar viscosity to standard DERV (diesel that you by at the pumps). I had been running my older diesel engine, a 2.5 N/A on a total concoction of oils. I had been given bottles of delightfully thin petrol engine oil from one of my neighbors (surplus to his requirements) so I just whacked that in the tank along with some vegetable oil, white spirit (as a thinning agent), diesel and a splosh of petrol because it was cheaper at the time.

The best thing that you can do realistically, is go to your local garage and ask them if you can take one to two drums of waste engine oil, which they usually have to pay to dispose of. They should be more than happy to give you it. Here you have yourself a rich, almost "crude" fuel if you like that needs diluting and it's totally free. The best thing is, you need to filter it out and thin it down in order to use it, which will usually increase the amount of usable fuel that you have by about one third.

The first step is to take the smallest micron filter that you can find. Your local hydraulic engineering company should be able to provide you with some fine filter sheets. If not, just buy some very fine threaded tights and then tripple filter the oil through them. This will remove any iron / aluminium shavings from the oil that may have contaminated it in the garage's waste oil storage container. The next step is to thin it down to the same consistency as diesel. Whatever quantity of used engine oil you have. Try mixing it with 10% white spirit or 15% petrol and really thoroughly mix it. Then, allow the fuel to sit in a clean container so that any water can separate and any larger unfiltered lumps of gloop will sink to the bottom (leave it for 24 hours or so). Next job is to suck the water off the top and then syphon the "good oil" out into a jerry can, leaving some thicker gloop at the bottom. Give it a stir and add a touch more white spirit (5% at most) and it's ready to go in your tank. Just make sure that you replace your fuel filter every thousand miles or so.

In theory if you produced a 50 litre batch of "black diesel", 15% of that is going to be petrol or white spirit, leaving the remaining 85% as the waste engine oil which is FREE, so:

Petrol = £1.01 per litre
15% x 50 litres = 7.5 litres
7.5 x £1.01 = £7.58 (3SF)

So it's going to cost you approximately £7.58 for the petrol to thin down 42.5 litres of oil to produce 50 litres of fuel,
which works out at 15p per litre. So even if petrol raises to £1.30 per litre, it's only going to cost you £9.75 to produce 50 litres of fuel, which works out at 20p per litre.

By the time fuel prices get that high mind, scientists will have perfected being able to produce ethanol from algae and we'll be able to literally grow our own fuel in a pond in our own back gardens.

Good thinking!
-Pos

This is great info thanks mate.

One last question (s)
Triple filtered means you filter it through 3 times right? Or three filters?

Also with the final filtered and processed oil can you add it straight into your tank or do you need to add diesel with it as well?

Cheers.
 
you wouldn't want to run pure oil as it will smoke too much, run diesel as well as previously said I run 50/50, so basicly it costs me 50 centimes a litre.LEE
 
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