Defeated by 2-3cm of snow

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kavefish

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Now, before I say any more, I should say that I love my Landy and that's not about to change.

So, we got a dusting of the white stuff early this morning - and I mean maybe 2-3cm. For grins, I tried my Mazda first and predictably it laughed at the suggestion of pointing up the hill to get out of our valley.

Right, next it was time to convincingly trounce up that hill in the 110, demonstrating - finally - to the wife why we needed proper 4x4. I was in 2nd gear hi-range (the highest gearing I could get without stalling) and I was taking it easy to the point of almost stalling (but I wasn't on the clutch). Making steady forward progress and it all went to crap. Wheel spin, off throttle, apply brake, sliding backward on a narrow lane with an expensive stone wall on one side and hedge on the other. I angled for the hedge as a brake. Thankfully the dirt provided some grip and I stopped. Much to my amazement, the 110 did no better than the torquey 2WD Mazda. Actually, sliding felt worse for lack of ABS.

I admitted defeat, got in the wife's Outback, which promptly asked "I thought you said there was some snow?" as we cruised up the hill without so much as a stutter. :doh:

It's worth saying that my v8 110 is a 1987 model - and I think it still has the original 7.50R16 tires :eek: (only 40k miles on the clock so they look old, but fine). They passed MOT last year without comment and I've only done 1k miles since. 20 minutes ago I ordered a set of new 235/85r16 BFG AT tires.

Now with the tires sorted (and my dignity already in shreds from previous battery-hunting misadventures) that leaves the driver. There are so many LZ stories about fun in the snow so please, tell me, what I was doing wrong? I humbly submit to your advice (and likely abuse) for how not to make a mockery of the Landy name.
 
hooo man!!! you should have ask here first shouldnt ya...._ you are going to get the **** taken out of you..

locking the diff would help... a lot..
how steep is that hill anyway!?!?!?

when we had all the snow earlier this year i very rarely used difflock or lows.....

btw... you know how do use / engage diff lock right?
 
Whilst being in a high gear is preferable and the correct way to drive in snow / ice, you sometimes need some momentum to make it up hills.
That's where the experience of the nut behind the wheel comes into play.
 
Now, before I say any more, I should say that I love my Landy and that's not about to change.

So, we got a dusting of the white stuff early this morning - and I mean maybe 2-3cm. For grins, I tried my Mazda first and predictably it laughed at the suggestion of pointing up the hill to get out of our valley.

Right, next it was time to convincingly trounce up that hill in the 110, demonstrating - finally - to the wife why we needed proper 4x4. I was in 2nd gear hi-range (the highest gearing I could get without stalling) and I was taking it easy to the point of almost stalling (but I wasn't on the clutch). Making steady forward progress and it all went to crap. Wheel spin, off throttle, apply brake, sliding backward on a narrow lane with an expensive stone wall on one side and hedge on the other. I angled for the hedge as a brake. Thankfully the dirt provided some grip and I stopped. Much to my amazement, the 110 did no better than the torquey 2WD Mazda. Actually, sliding felt worse for lack of ABS.

I admitted defeat, got in the wife's Outback, which promptly asked "I thought you said there was some snow?" as we cruised up the hill without so much as a stutter. :doh:

It's worth saying that my v8 110 is a 1987 model - and I think it still has the original 7.50R16 tires :eek: (only 40k miles on the clock so they look old, but fine). They passed MOT last year without comment and I've only done 1k miles since. 20 minutes ago I ordered a set of new 235/85r16 BFG AT tires.

Now with the tires sorted (and my dignity already in shreds from previous battery-hunting misadventures) that leaves the driver. There are so many LZ stories about fun in the snow so please, tell me, what I was doing wrong? I humbly submit to your advice (and likely abuse) for how not to make a mockery of the Landy name.

Odd n that maybe wieght or V8 got sumthin to do with it.
Course what you gotta remember is that if there is no grip doesn't matter if your in four wheel drive or not.
Did you take a different line in the outback. Does it have traction control.

For reference next time in your Landy give it a few and I mean only a few more revs and dab the brakes if you start to lose traction. ;)
 
i find that judging the steepness of the hill and reversing back accordingly for a good run up and gunning it tends to do the job :D

saying that though, last winter i towed a train of three ''hot hatches'' (all tied to each other in series) up a ice covered hill last year in 1st high range with difflock by sticking the left hand side in the ditch for traction, worked a charm and made me look like a hero :D
 
For slightly more context, all the routes out of our valley are steep and twisty, so building momentum for a climb is a balance between how much grip I can manage thru tight blind corners and carrying speed for climbs. Still, I've seen other Defenders make it thru in tough conditions, so I'm confident the driver (and hopefully tires) have a lot to do with it.
 
Sorry, I forgot to mention :doh: -- I did engage the diff lock.

How steep is that hill?

I don't want to say that you didn't drive it properly but.........................

If I was shown up by a slitty like that I'd get rid of the landie faster than you could slide down a hill.
 
How embarrassing! :lol:

My 200TDi Discovery loves snow! Honestly, she handles better on the white stuff than on the black tarmac!

Probably due to the Michelin Off-Road tyres she has fitted!
 
I don't want to say that you didn't drive it properly but.........................

No, that's fair play, really.

Momentum would've definitely helped. Don't really know how to estimate hill steepness with any accuracy, but I'd guess 1:2, maybe 1:1.75.

Last winter we had a 5-6 cars stuck in our valley overnight, but a Defender did make it out -- pulling a trailer.
 
No, that's fair play, really.

Momentum would've definitely helped. Don't really know how to estimate hill steepness with any accuracy, but I'd guess 1:2, maybe 1:1.75.

Last winter we had a 5-6 cars stuck in our valley overnight, but a Defender did make it out -- pulling a trailer.


You're quite right,

you don't know how to estimate the steepness of a hill:doh:
 
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