dead mans click no starter

hi all stupid question but I have got my 109 at the point of ready to start up wired a battery up and got nothing not even a click but I did get a smell not quite burning but smelt a bit funny I have converted it to 12volts from 24 and it has new starter motor on it alternator etc what am I missing do I need to switch the wires from the alternator to the solenoid (did not pay much attention as they are both positive so I thought not a big deal wrong possibly??) also do I need a 12v solenoid or for a landy don't matter because its only a solenoid should make no real difference or wrong again ?

You will need a 12V solenoid.

you got 1 of these?
http://www.justanswer.com/ford/4ylo...ford-f350-460-motor-low-miles-70-stalled.html

To test the functionality of the starter a set of jump leads right to the starter body and the lug on the back will do nicely. You can't run the full current of the starter through the key switch without a solenoid - if you did that the funny smell was your ignition lock carbonizing.

As you mention 24 volts this is an old FFR truck?

That is for a petrol. Occurs to me you did not mention the engine type - assumed 2.25 petrol.

For a Diesel it has the solenoid built into the starter - the hump on the back. Touching a clip lead between the big brass connector to the battery and the spade lug on the back of the starter should make it turn over. If not, check your battery leads, earths and make sure the battery has a charge!

Thor1950 said:

you got 1 of these?
http://www.justanswer.com/ford/4ylo...ford-f350-460-motor-low-miles-70-stalled.html

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no I don't that's off a piece of yank crap I have a 24 volt petrol solenoid so looks like 12 volt solenoid in the morning and have a look at the starter motor

OK - that 24V solenoid probably won't pull on 12V. Swap it out.

Do test the starter just to make sure it is good - then you can work your way back through as suits the problem.

Re: Yank: Some of us resemble that remark...

On a more serious note, though - the generic Ford starter solenoid is the go-to replacement for the US LR crowd. They're cheap, easy to get, and very, very hard to kill.

ajr - member of the token Yank contingent.

sorry for my comments last night did not mean to offend was very grumpy, looking forward to hearing it run in the first time in 18 months and a little solenoid gets in the way but will be rectified in due course but land rover ownership eh should be used to it by now

i am glad this thread came up, having just changed my bulkhead, i thought i put the wiring back together as it was but nothing happened at all when i turned the ignition.

so i tried mr churchill109s' tip with the jump leads, got nothing with the ignition turned off, turned the ignition on with the leads on the starter and it turned over like a good un and started up, so thanks for that, i breathed a sigh of relief after yesterdays despair.

but after that it now turns over and starts on the ignition switch which puzzled me.

CJ2a said:

sorry for my comments last night did not mean to offend was very grumpy

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You worry too much - I was amused not offended. Just having a bit of fun.

ajr

mrchurchill109 said:

OK - that 24V solenoid probably won't pull on 12V. Swap it out.

Do test the starter just to make sure it is good - then you can work your way back through as suits the problem.

Re: Yank: Some of us resemble that remark...

On a more serious note, though - the generic Ford starter solenoid is the go-to replacement for the US LR crowd. They're cheap, easy to get, and very, very hard to kill.

ajr - member of the token Yank contingent.

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thank you very much that ford starter solenoid is used in lots of different type of vehicles. Was asking if he had anything looking like the ford solenoid under the bonnet

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so i tried mr churchill109s' tip with the jump leads, got nothing with the ignition turned off, turned the ignition on with the leads on the starter and it turned over like a good un and started up, so thanks for that, i breathed a sigh of relief after yesterdays despair.

but after that it now turns over and starts on the ignition switch which puzzled me.

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Check the heavy leads to the starter and the earth lead to the engine. You have a loose connection that bridged itself when the starter cranked. Wiggle the big wires and it will likely go away again. Just tighten up the connections and it will likely work.

If they are all tight also check the lead from the key switch to the solenoid - the lug may be loose or just a bit corroded. Clean it up and give it a tweak with a pair of pliers.

ajrr

will check those tomorrow, will do the big lead first, i know that is in two parts, presumably done when the recon engine was put in by a po.

well it started this morning perfectly, had a fiddle and a poke anyway cleaned the bits etc so hopefully the problem is gone for good.