could it be starter?

gizgrey · Jan 18, 2012

thinking starter is on way out..heres the symtoms

turns over as if the engine is tight,sometimes it will crank fast,but usually it cranks like bettery is flat,
its getting a bugger to start usually have to jump it,and i put a new battery in december,changed glow plugs today but old ones were working fine(checked them with jump leads)
sedimeter filter thing looks like it may be leaking as was wet looking last time i looked,so this might be ddrawing abit air hense why it takes a good bit cranking to get started,
whats your ideas before i shell out for a new starter..

sierrafery · Jan 18, 2012

First of all check the electric connections/earths at battery and starter.

Mr Noisy · Jan 18, 2012

Yup.

We recently had a HONDA (yes I know, rare item in the workshop) HR-V that had battery flat symptoms.

It turned out to be a burned terminal at the main battery connection on the starter.

So as above, get in there and check the two big nuts on the starter. Better still, remove, look, feel, wire brush, replace. Then see what happens.

If they seem sweet, then eliminate the solenoid by taking a jump lead from the positive on the battery, and carefully touch it to the terminal on the solenoid that has the little woven cable thing that disappears into the starter. Get someone to crank the engine over and let it do it's slow thing, and touch the jump lead to the woven cable terminal. If the starter speeds up (probably with a fairly impressive spark as you contact) then its the solenoid.

The solenoid can sometimes be stripped and cleaned/refurbed, sometimes available separately. If not you need the whole lot but at least you know which part is at fault so you can keep the good half as a spare...

gizgrey · Jan 18, 2012

cheers fellas looks like the starter will be coming off for a wee clean over weekend

Mr Noisy · Jan 18, 2012

Clean it in petrol, wee is too corrosive.

Mr Noisy · Jan 18, 2012

Ohhhhh... How I lol'd

sierrafery · Jan 18, 2012

gizgrey said:
cheers fellas looks like the starter will be coming off for a wee clean over weekend

the connections can be checked in situ.

fozt · Jan 18, 2012

Mr Noisy said:
Clean it in petrol, wee is too corrosive.

:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi

ricc · Jan 18, 2012

Mr Noisy said:
Yup.

If they seem sweet, then eliminate the solenoid by taking a jump lead from the positive on the battery, and carefully touch it to the terminal on the solenoid that has the little woven cable thing that disappears into the starter. Get someone to crank the engine over and let it do it's slow thing, and touch the jump lead to the woven cable terminal. If the starter speeds up (probably with a fairly impressive spark as you contact) then its the solenoid.

quite bluntly thats bollocks and not something you should suggest to someone who dont have a clue what their doing

if you try dabbing leads with a couple of hundred amps flowing you stand a good chance of "welding" the jumplead to the starter terminal.... the starter then runs till you can physically break the "weld"

or youll have a shower of sparks igniting any old oil in the vicinity

if it does result in the starter turning faster you havnt proved its the solenoid at fault... youve bypassed the positive lead from the battery and its dodgy connections .

you can eliminate bad joints in the battery leads by using jump leads
one from the battery neg to the engine block to eliminate dicky earths
then the 2nd from the positive to the input terminal on the starter....the one connected to the big battery lead.
if that improves cranking speed theres something dodgy in the thick battery leads and their connections
if it dont improve its likely to be a starter fault.... either corroded solenoid contacts or sticking /dirty brushes in the motor

Mr Noisy · Jan 18, 2012

ricc said:
quite bluntly thats bollocks

Sparks? Fires? Welding?

Pah.

Mr Noisy · Jan 18, 2012

fozt said:
:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi

At least somebody noticed!

gizgrey · Jan 19, 2012

ha ha mr noisy good one..

gizgrey · Jan 21, 2012

seems to have fixed itself starting everytime now..

sierrafery · Jan 21, 2012

it got scared .... but dont worry, not for long

gizgrey · Feb 8, 2012

just to recap on this thread,started being a **** to start again,wouldnt start in morning unless jump started and needed a good wind over to start up,having seized ny work van toaday ,thought i better fix the disco and use it for work,fitted a new starter and a new heavy duty battery,now starts first turn and spins over really fast,result i take it my old starter was on way out...hopefully wont stink my neighbours out with black deisel smoke tommrow morning now lol..

could it be starter?

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Coming in your ears.

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Coming in your ears.

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Coming in your ears.

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Coming in your ears.

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