Hey there, I have a 300tdi and have taken a notion to change my general grabbers to some mud terrains. My grabbers are 235 85 r16. I have looked at coopers stt and bf Goodrich. Which are better and what is the best width/size to give that beefy look…
Best mud terrains for 90
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Ahh, beefy look, yes that's important.
INSA Turbo's maybe for that understeeing, sh*tmypants roundabout experience ?
How about the Accelera Badak X-Treme tyre which is perfect for that 'feel the slide, everywhere' trip ?
INSA Turbo's maybe for that understeeing, sh*tmypants roundabout experience ?
How about the Accelera Badak X-Treme tyre which is perfect for that 'feel the slide, everywhere' trip ?
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Coopers will beat the bfgs all day in the mud, offroading pay and play, but not on mileage. The bfgs will last way longer, but also cost a fair bit more. Depends what you want from it.
If you want the 'look' on a standard 90, some run of the mill modular steels with a 0 offset and some 265/75 will look noticeably beefier than the 235/85 on a standard Landy rim. Atm I run 235/85 r16 grabber at2's on standard disco one alloys for road use, and until recently stt's in same flavour on wolf rims for offroad.
Looking to replace the fun tyres with some insa dakars though as my coopers are worn out and I need some decent tread depth offroad
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If you like lots of tyre noise then any MT's will do but Insa turbo dakars are the best.
[ Good off road though ]
[ Good off road though ]
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I’d say the complete opposite. The BFG is way way better than the Cooper. Country mile sort of better.
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What do you actually want from the tyres? What is your use and terrain?
As a rule most terrain in the U.K. a narrower tyre will normally perform better. So a 235/85 or even a 7.50
265/75R16 is ok. Think it was even a standard size for some markets. But there are other tyre sizes out there.
255/85R16 is a nice tall tyre and slightly fatter than stock. 285/75R16 is slightly shorter but very fat.
Then there are the 15” rim sizes. 33.10.50R15 and 33.12.50R15. If you are on stock suspension a 31.10.50R15, while shorter. Can give a very nice stance.
As for the Cooper STT Pro it is a meh tyre. Seen lots of people struggle off road with them where better tyres have no problems. I actually have a set of the earlier STT (non Pro) on a 90 at the moment. They are ok on the road but probably the worst MT I’ve ever used off road!
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In my opinion the STT PRO is not a mud tyre, I bought a set more or less as soon as they were on the market, and they have done all that I wanted bearing in mind the vast majority of my driving is on the road -same for most landies.
What I wanted was a tyre that was good on road, which they are, quiet on the road, which they are, and give a decent amount of traction and control off road. They do all that very well, BUT for greasy side slopes they are only any good if you really drop the pressure. Try driving a side slope on wet clay and you are going to be able to smell the adrenalin, just before you slide into the ditch.
My brother and I have run the ko2 and the stt pro at the same pressure, goi g through the exact same terrain and the stt's literally walked all over the bfgs. The bfgs were brand new and were utterly shìte and pulling themselves out of muddy ruts and holding on to side slopes, especially so over wet grass. The coopers out performed them consistently, to the point of laughter!
The old bfg pattern that a friend had on (the insa copy) was still better than the ko2 at pulling itself out of ruts! The ko2/3 are cack imo for proper dirt, unless you are rock crawling.
They have immense longevity though, I'll give them that. The coopers have a high silicone content which makes them a bit softer consistency, and they wear out quicker on tarmac because of it. Also I found coopers to be positively bullet proof in relation to punctures.
They are alot louder on tarmac than the bfg's though.
We can all only proffer advice based on our own experiences, and this is honestly mine. I personally think that bfg as a brand are hugely overpriced for what they actually are, and people that buy them buy them because they are buying into the brand image.
It's funny because every example you make I have found the exact opposite. I wouldn't have these on as a general tyre.
I found them to be horrendously loud on the road, especially so as the tread wore down. I also noticed a 1-3 mpg drop, which is to be expected when running such an aggressive tyre on tarmac, personally I haven't been able to fault them offroad, I'm talking greenlaning, forestry work and trailering over fields, side slopes etc etc
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Agreed, much more of an aggressive All Terrain than true Mud Terrain.
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I'll stop you there. The KO2 is an All Terrain.
The current BFG Mud Terrain is the KM3 and it is vastly more aggressive in block design than the STT Pro.
I'll stop you there. The KO2 is an All Terrain.
The current BFG Mud Terrain is the KM3 and it is vastly more aggressive in block design than the STT Pro.
Typo, I meant km2.
I obviously was talking about the mud terrain not the all terrain, I'm sure you could of read between the lines.
And I'm afraid you're incorrect, the km3 isn't as aggressive as the stt pro, that's the point. It has lines side to side that you can see with no middle tread lock, so sides slopes are shocking on them, especially on wet grass.
Also side blocks are crap, they are as crap as michelin xzl's at pulling themselves out of muddy ruts.
This is first hand experience, directly relating to both tyres side by side, it's what happened in real life.
I'm not biased one way or the other, in fact, I won't be buying the pro's again, but equally I wouldn't buy the km3 as I'm disappointed in them.
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km2 is very different to the km3, which are you actually comparing too?
Typo, I meant km2.
I obviously was talking about the mud terrain not the all terrain, I'm sure you could of read between the lines.
eh?
Are you meaning the sipes? They don't do much off road, they are for better on road performance as a rule. The KM3 uses a different compound however. But it has large central lugs with recesses.
You can clearly see the STT Pro is not more aggressive.
Closer block spacing on the tyre centre vs the Km3
km2 is very different to the km3, which are you actually comparing too?
eh?
Are you meaning the sipes? They don't do much off road, they are for better on road performance as a rule. The KM3 uses a different compound however. But it has large central lugs with recesses.
You can clearly see the STT Pro is not more aggressive.
Closer block spacing on the tyre centre vs the Km3
Km2 is what I was comparing to.
No not the sipes.
Look at the center of the pro, you have two sets of lugs, then three, alternating. From the side lugs on the pro there is no clear run through the tread pattern as the centre lugs effectively close of the side lugs. They are closer, but positioned better.
If you look at the km2 you can quite clearly see that from the side lugs there is a clear space/groove that runs uninterrupted from one side of the tyre to the other, the middle tread blocks don't intercept this line so it has the ability to slide when on a side Slope, which they do, badly.
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But we aren't comparing the KM2 so it matters not at all.... the op wanted to buy new tyres. Not old 2nd hand knackered ones. The KM3 is the current BFG MT.
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And the KM3 is VASTLY better than the STT Pro!
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Have you run them both then?
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