Assembly in China / End of Lode Lane

On 2006-10-28, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The landy's shorter and narrower than my old Lotus, which people describe as
>> "tiny"...
>
> Which lotus? Europa?

No, a 1989 Esprit SE, or it would be if I put the damned thing back
together. I stripped and rebuilt the engine, just need to put the
shot blasted and painted tanks back in, redo the pipework and some of
the electrics, put the last few bits of engine back together and get
the engine back in. That should take me about another 3 years given
my rate of work.

Also, according to google, the landy *is* longer than the esprit by
about 20cm, not so sure about that but it's in no state to be measured
again, I measured it about 3 years ago when I was house hunting. It's
certainly wider though, the landy is about 7 cm narrower than the
esprit, and the pinz is about 3cm narrower than the landy but about
30cm longer. At the moment, the pinz is about 10cm shorter than usual
due to me removing the front chassis members, differential and axle.

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Very soon London Taxi's International and Morgan will be the only two volume
manufacturers left in the UK and still British owned.

Larry
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"Mother" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>A draft discussion document is reportedly floating around concerning
> whether there's merit in developing a Chinese assembly plant for new
> Land Rover products, including Freelander[1] and Range Rover Sport.
>
> This follows further unconfirmed reports that plans to pull out of
> Solihull in 2012 are back on the table. The site at Lode Lane
> together with associated land nearby is thought to be worth in the
> region of 500 Million Pounds[2] if planning consent is granted for
> 'development'.
>
>
>
> [1] The new Freelander is not assembled in Solihull.
> [2] This is the figure that was quoted in May 2005.
>
>
>

"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > No speed cameras in North Yorkshire.
>
> Is that true? I thought that Durham was the only English County
> without fixed speed cameras.

There aren't any fixed ones around here but the plod do have speed guns.
Greg

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> However, who's going to buy a time-share in Scarborough for Febuary?
>
> I have a nasty suspicion that the funding has fallen through...

Well I've always been puzzled where all the buyers for the £200k apartments
are supposed to come from, not to mention the hundreds of cheaper places
they obviously intend to build, there's a lot of new housing in this area
and a heck of a lot more on the drawing board. To be honest I wouldn't want
to buy into the north bay area as the place has gone right down, that's one
reason I moved out.
Greg

"Larry" wrote
> Very soon London Taxi's International and Morgan will be the only two
> volume manufacturers left in the UK and still British owned.
>
I wouldn't call either a volumn manufacturer.
The first one is about to start up a factory in China, they say for the
Chinese market only but......!
There are other small manufacturers just like those two,i.e. Westfield,
Caterham & Bristol.
http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/
http://www.caterham.co.uk/
http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/index2.htm

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"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> However, who's going to buy a time-share in Scarborough for Febuary?
>>
>> I have a nasty suspicion that the funding has fallen through...
>
> Well I've always been puzzled where all the buyers for the £200k
> apartments
> are supposed to come from, not to mention the hundreds of cheaper places
> they obviously intend to build, there's a lot of new housing in this area
> and a heck of a lot more on the drawing board. To be honest I wouldn't
> want
> to buy into the north bay area as the place has gone right down, that's
> one
> reason I moved out.

Well the whole scheme originally revolved around the idea that they were
going to build a 'super casino' there and everyone's houses would rocket in
value. And the high rollers from Leeds would buy time shares in the off
season for a week's gambling...

However it didn't and so they won't...


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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Well the whole scheme originally revolved around the idea that they were
> going to build a 'super casino' there and everyone's houses would rocket
in
> value. And the high rollers from Leeds would buy time shares in the
off
> season for a week's gambling...
>
> However it didn't and so they won't...

They build the casino elsewhere, and unbelievably want to build another on
the sea front, just call us the Las Vegas of Yorkshire .

Greg

"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Well the whole scheme originally revolved around the idea that they were
>> going to build a 'super casino' there and everyone's houses would rocket
> in
>> value. And the high rollers from Leeds would buy time shares in the
> off
>> season for a week's gambling...
>>
>> However it didn't and so they won't...
>
> They build the casino elsewhere, and unbelievably want to build another on
> the sea front, just call us the Las Vegas of Yorkshire .

As soon as the new casino opened the old one closed.

Nobody wants to go to Scarborough for big time gambling when they can go to
London.

A real casino has cheap food and booze and gives its gamblers free coffee
and snacks when they're playing. The casino in Scarborough is an expensive
pub with gambling.

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

That is exactly my point, they are not exactly "volume" manufacturers but
soon making cars in the UK will become a craft industry, like making wicker
baskets and coracles.


Larry
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"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Larry" wrote
> I wouldn't call either a volumn manufacturer.
> The first one is about to start up a factory in China, they say for the
> Chinese market only but......!
> There are other small manufacturers just like those two,i.e. Westfield,
> Caterham & Bristol.
> http://www.westfield-sportscars.co.uk/
> http://www.caterham.co.uk/
> http://www.bristolcars.co.uk/index2.htm
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob H
> 17mls W. of London.UK
>

On 2006-10-29, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:

> That is exactly my point, they are not exactly "volume"
> manufacturers but soon making cars in the UK will become a craft
> industry, like making wicker baskets and coracles.

Given what the volume market is like, I think I'll vote for a wicker
basket over a plastic carrier bag!

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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote:

> That is exactly my point, they are not exactly "volume" manufacturers but
> soon making cars in the UK will become a craft industry, like making wicker
> baskets and coracles.
>
>
> Larry

Wicker baskets are already made in China! We make sod-all here now,
and when the bubble bursts........

The curious thing is that France, Italy, and to a large extent
Germany seem to be able to make things and not price themselves
out of the market. Apart from a pretty determined "Buy <insert
country of choice>" attitude, the only real difference between
us and the rest of the EU appears to be the way capital is raised,
and how the earnings from that capital investment are disbursed,
which rather points the finger at The City rather than our
supposedly unproductive workers. i.e how can Nissan, Toyota,
etc build cars, or anything else, cost effectively when British
based companies can't. [1]

Personaly I deeply believe a major factor is our short-termism,
i.e. our financial insitutions are far more focused on this years
profits than on whether the company will be around in 10 years time.
This was sad (from the jobs point of view), but is now stupid - we
have sold off all the family silver (BOC, British Steel, ICI, GEC,
Lucas, Farranti, BR, the water companies, Blue Circle,
Cable & Wireless, etc, etc) so that instead of getting a lower
return on investement "for ever", a big one-off hit has been
made, but also cut off the revenue stream. My evidence for this
is that pension schemes used to get most of thier income from
investments in Britsh companies, but now they've almost all been
sold off the pension companies are in *big* trouble - that's
no co-incidence.

The US, the only other country to adopt the same short-termist
view, is also suffering from "Made in China", which again I
believe isn't just a co-incidence.

Richard

[1] completely ignoring the long term effects of not being in
the Euro, which will yet turn us into a curious histoical
theme park for tourists.

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On 2006-10-29, beamendsltd <[email protected]> wrote:

> supposedly unproductive workers. i.e how can Nissan, Toyota,
> etc build cars, or anything else, cost effectively when British
> based companies can't. [1]

ISTR that a major reason was that it's easier to dump british workers
than it is to dump French/German/US etc workers due to the lax rules
implemented here in order to encourage investment -- encourage it by
making it easy to dump if it's no longer needed. The apathy of the
brits helps too, sacking the French seems to be more trouble than it's
worth.

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"William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> As soon as the new casino opened the old one closed.

Yes but they're talking about building yet another one, which certainly
won't replace the one just opened.

> Nobody wants to go to Scarborough for big time gambling when they can go
to
> London.

Which is why I can't understand the idea of yet another one, it's the last
thing we need.

Greg

"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "William Black" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> As soon as the new casino opened the old one closed.
>
> Yes but they're talking about building yet another one, which certainly
> won't replace the one just opened.
>
>> Nobody wants to go to Scarborough for big time gambling when they can go
> to
>> London.
>
> Which is why I can't understand the idea of yet another one, it's the last
> thing we need.

It is, as I said before, a big posh pub with the posibility of some
gambling.

An all cash business, full of pretty girls working for peanuts with loads
of chances to impress your mates and you can prove you're not a crook, even
if you are, because you've got a license.

In that respect it's the classical seaside businessman's ideal business...

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William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

"Ian Rawlings" wrote after Richard wrote
>> supposedly unproductive workers. i.e how can Nissan, Toyota,
>> etc build cars, or anything else, cost effectively when British
>> based companies can't. [1]
>
> ISTR that a major reason was that it's easier to dump british workers
> than it is to dump French/German/US etc workers due to the lax rules
> implemented here in order to encourage investment -- encourage it by
> making it easy to dump if it's no longer needed. The apathy of the
> brits helps too, sacking the French seems to be more trouble than it's
> worth.
>

Personally I have always thought the problems in this country were mainly
caused by bad management or even lack of management. Possibly too many
people promoted because of their handshake instead of their ability?
With foreign management our people seem to be able to build things at a
profit and up to the best standards but it doesn't seem to be possible with
British management.
Same problem is manifest in the NHS, thousands of administrators but no
management, ask at your local hospital when any of the staff last saw the
senior manager walking around talking to his patients and staff, poking his
nose in. If he's a real manager it should be daily, if he sits behind a desk
he's just another administrator being paid too much.

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Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

On 2006-10-29, Bob Hobden <[email protected]> wrote:

> Personally I have always thought the problems in this country were
> mainly caused by bad management or even lack of management. Possibly
> too many people promoted because of their handshake instead of their
> ability?

Ah yes, masonic conspiracy, must be that! If not the masons, it's the
Jews or the Knights Templar, they're everywhere....

Evidence of idiocy and disorder is everywhere, in general it's the
best explanation for most things. Grass Is Greener syndrome seems to
be responsible for most of the "it's different overseas" ****e, where
frankly it's pretty much the same. I've seen so many mirrors of the
usual whining from Americans, or British ex-pats living in Spain,
France etc. People need to accept that the world isn't perfect, and
they themselves would **** everything up too if they were in command
and just get on with the stuff that really matters.

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On Sun, 29 Oct 2006 22:48:14 -0000, "Bob Hobden" <[email protected]>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>
>"Ian Rawlings" wrote after Richard wrote
>>> supposedly unproductive workers. i.e how can Nissan, Toyota,
>>> etc build cars, or anything else, cost effectively when British
>>> based companies can't. [1]
>>
>> ISTR that a major reason was that it's easier to dump british workers
>> than it is to dump French/German/US etc workers due to the lax rules
>> implemented here in order to encourage investment -- encourage it by
>> making it easy to dump if it's no longer needed. The apathy of the
>> brits helps too, sacking the French seems to be more trouble than it's
>> worth.
>>
>
>Personally I have always thought the problems in this country were mainly
>caused by bad management or even lack of management. Possibly too many
>people promoted because of their handshake instead of their ability?
>With foreign management our people seem to be able to build things at a
>profit and up to the best standards but it doesn't seem to be possible with
>British management.
>Same problem is manifest in the NHS, thousands of administrators but no
>management, ask at your local hospital when any of the staff last saw the
>senior manager walking around talking to his patients and staff, poking his
>nose in. If he's a real manager it should be daily, if he sits behind a desk
>he's just another administrator being paid too much.

huh, try teaching. We have 42 teachers at my school, and 38 support
staff, of which 12 are classroom assistants, so the other 26 sit
behind desks and push paper, and wonder why we get upset when we tell
them to **** off cos we're too busy teaching. I mean, in our school,
we now have student well being managers, who look after the children,
as well as the traditional heads of year. Needless to say, these well
being managers don't teach a single lesson....
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:59:20 +0100, steve
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

>Oily wrote:
>
>> They are probably trying to justify and mask their wastage of fossil fuels
>> as they apparently dump loads when they come in to land,
>
>If they did, wouldn't the approaches to, say, Heathrow be rather slippery ?
>
>Jet fuel is particularly not noted for its volatility, so if they did it
>, we'd have known by now.
>
>AFAIK fuel dumping is an emergency measure only.
>
>Steve

and not to be done over populated areas IIRC, ie over the sea....
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Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

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