A Frame Problem

border · Feb 15, 2019

Well here we go again. Don't know what the hell Ive done this time.
Trying to fit A Frame, finally got bolts in the Brackets through arms, not much room for nut on other end unless Ive got wrong bolts in.
Anyway its a mile off the hole on top of Chassis.
Any Ideas Please.

Kev12 · Feb 15, 2019

Looks like you just need to tweak the balljoint a bit to get it to slot in, the axle will rotate to line up the taper. I seem to remember there not being much room with the front bolts, when i did mine I took the brackets off the chassis so I could disassmble it in the vice

Hicap phill · Feb 15, 2019

Have you got the nose of the diff to high?
Press/Rotate & move the knuckle to suit.
Good luck

Disco1BFG · Feb 15, 2019

As above - posts 2&3, the ball joint can a PITA if the axle moves at all ... just need to rotate the axle CCW - lowering the nose of the diff, and straighten the shank on the ball for it to go in

.... it might feel like it doesn't want to simply because of the geometry of the setup ... but it will go - and, it doesn't look too far out in your pics

border · Feb 15, 2019

Disco1BFG said:
As above - posts 2&3, the ball joint can a PITA if the axle moves at all ... just need to rotate the axle CCW - lowering the nose of the diff, and straighten the shank on the ball for it to go in .... it might feel like it doesn't want to simply because of the geometry of the setup ... but it will go - and, it doesn't look too far out in your pics

Thanks Everyone, How can I lower the diff??

Al2O3 · Feb 16, 2019

By lifting the chassis

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

border said:
Well here we go again. Don't know what the hell Ive done this time.
Trying to fit A Frame, finally got bolts in the Brackets through arms, not much room for nut on other end unless Ive got wrong bolts in.
Anyway its a mile off the hole on top of Chassis.
Any Ideas Please.

The bolts going through the arms and chassis don’t have much room for the nuts. Make sure these are done up, not fully tight, before you attach the balljoint to the axle, otherwise these can have pressure on them that make it harder to move the bolts to attach the nuts.

When I done my A frame a few weeks ago, I attached the ball joint to the plate on the bench, in the vise. This made it much easier to tighten the ball joint fully. I then attached the ball joint and plate to the axle. Then each arm to the chassis, don’t fully tighten the arm bush bolts. Then attach the arms to the balljoint at the axle. I used a 3/8 extension to line the bolt holes up, I think I lined the rears up first and then the fronts.

I done it all by myself, and all of that was easy, when you compare it to attaching the self leveller.

border · Feb 16, 2019

mick 1986 said:
The bolts going through the arms and chassis don’t have much room for the nuts. Make sure these are done up, not fully tight, before you attach the balljoint to the axle, otherwise these can have pressure on them that make it harder to move the bolts to attach the nuts.

When I done my A frame a few weeks ago, I attached the ball joint to the plate on the bench, in the vise. This made it much easier to tighten the ball joint fully. I then attached the ball joint and plate to the axle. Then each arm to the chassis, don’t fully tighten the arm bush bolts. Then attach the arms to the balljoint at the axle. I used a 3/8 extension to line the bolt holes up, I think I lined the rears up first and then the fronts.

I done it all by myself, and all of that was easy, when you compare it to attaching the self leveller.

Popped in before for 5 minuets couldn’t resist as I’m still at work but was passing. Tapped the ball joint forward a bit and it went in, not sure if it’s centred properly for nut to tighten but at least it’s in. Will be up this afternoon to check. Thanks Again everyone for help.

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

border said:
Popped in before for 5 minuets couldn’t resist as I’m still at work but was passing. Tapped the ball joint forward a bit and it went in, not sure if it’s centred properly for nut to tighten but at least it’s in. Will be up this afternoon to check. Thanks Again everyone for help.

No problem. I hope you can do the nut up. I didn’t have anything suitable enough to tighten the nut in situ.

border · Feb 16, 2019

Well not as I thought, this is as far as it will go, unless I can tilt the Axle a little bit. Back to the drawing board

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

border said:
Well not as I thought, this is as far as it will go, unless I can tilt the Axle a little bit. Back to the drawing board

Are the rear radius arms fully tightened up? That’s the only thing that could keep the rear axle further towards the rear of the chassis.

border · Feb 16, 2019

mick 1986 said:
Are the rear radius arms fully tightened up? That’s the only thing that could keep the rear axle further towards the rear of the chassis.

They are just nipped up for the moment, I’ve took arms off at joint end, and you can see how far out it is on new pic.

Flossie · Feb 16, 2019

mick 1986 said:
The bolts going through the arms and chassis don’t have much room for the nuts. Make sure these are done up, not fully tight, before you attach the balljoint to the axle, otherwise these can have pressure on them that make it harder to move the bolts to attach the nuts.

When I done my A frame a few weeks ago, I attached the ball joint to the plate on the bench, in the vise. This made it much easier to tighten the ball joint fully. I then attached the ball joint and plate to the axle. Then each arm to the chassis, don’t fully tighten the arm bush bolts. Then attach the arms to the balljoint at the axle. I used a 3/8 extension to line the bolt holes up, I think I lined the rears up first and then the fronts.

I done it all by myself, and all of that was easy, when you compare it to attaching the self leveller.

I think only the 110 with Salisbury axle has the separate plate, the 90 has not , the balljoint taper goes into a plate welded to the axle.
I might be wrong though...
Looking at the amount of paint on those bolt heads though, not easy to do.
1/2" multipoint ring spanner fits them nice.

border · Feb 16, 2019

Flossie said:
I think only the 110 with Salisbury axle has the separate plate, the 90 has not , the balljoint taper goes into a plate welded to the axle.
I might be wrong though...
Looking at the amount of paint on those bolt heads though, not easy to do.
1/2" multipoint ring spanner fits them nice.

Should I take plate off?

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

border said:
They are just nipped up for the moment, I’ve took arms off at joint end, and you can see how far out it is on new pic.

How have you tried to fit the whole assembly? Are the rear springs fitted? Did you jack the chassis up? Have you tried fitting the plate to the balljoint and then fitting the plate to the axle?

Flossie · Feb 16, 2019

border said:
Should I take plate off?

I did mine the same as @mick 1986 with the plate off. It looked to me to be a right royal pita to get the nut/split pin on otherwise.

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

border said:
Should I take plate off?

I would remove the plate, put the nut on and tighten down. Fit the split pin, and then try to fit the balljoint and plate to the axle. I should say at this point the ball joint and A frame arms should not be bolted together. Once at this stage, secure A frame arms to chassis, then use a lever (extension bar) to line up the bolt holes through the arms and balljoint.

I will see if I have any photos to show what I mean.

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

Flossie said:
I did mine the same as @mick 1986 with the plate off. It looked to me to be a right royal pita to get the nut/split pin on otherwise.

Yeah that was my thoughts too. I couldn’t see an easy way to fully tighten the nut, so I done it split.

mick 1986 · Feb 16, 2019

@border see if these help at all.

Balljoint and plate fitted to axle.

Arms with new bushes being fitted. After the balljoint has been bolted to the axle.

Arms bolted to chassis, and using a 3/8” x 12” extension to line up holes.

All bolted up and ready for the self leveller.

border · Feb 16, 2019

Thanks again everyone. Photos are spot on Mick gonna try that tomorrow, will just bolt ball joint straight onto plate on axle then go through your process. While I’ve been waiting for awnsers I managed to get a wire threaded throughout chassis for harness. Easier then I thought, I suppose the hard bit will be pulling the harness through.

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