4.6 vs 2.5 tdi

Had two Classics and a P38 and all were Diesel - I guess I've been missing out on the full RR experience huh..

martynv8 said:

So true, the diesel boys are very sensitive souls. You really shouldn't take it to heart.

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Does that warrant a reply Tony, no didn't think so

gencybay said:

V8? A bit pretentious because you wanted to be in one of the Spice Girls.

G~

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Well I have a V8 P38 which is more expensive to run but is friendlier to the environment due to less particles. A great pity that leaded was banned as I reckon unleaded is more harmful. I used to have a 200 tdi 130 which was a wonderful machine in, I think, the old days when they were called Land Rovers and not Defenders.

gencybay said:

V8? A bit pretentious because you wanted to be in all of the Spice Girls.

G~

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oakey said:

Well I have a V8 P38 which is more expensive to run but is friendlier to the environment due to less particles. A great pity that leaded was banned as I reckon unleaded is more harmful. I used to have a 200 tdi 130 which was a wonderful machine in, I think, the old days when they were called Land Rovers and not Defenders.

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That's bull****, the noxious gasses put out by petrol engines is no better than the stuff put out by diesels, however your V8 burns a lot more fuel, so puts out more waste and depletes the oil resources faster. The current change of mind about diesels is all about softening up the public for a rise in diesel fuel duty. Lead in petrol was shown to be affecting the brains of infants.

Datatek said:

That's bull****, the noxious gasses put out by petrol engines is no better than the stuff put out by diesels, however your V8 burns a lot more fuel, so puts out more waste and depletes the oil resources faster. The current change of mind about diesels is all about softening up the public for a rise in diesel fuel duty. Lead in petrol was shown to be affecting the brains of infants.

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And V8 owners apparently.

wammers said:

And V8 owners apparently.

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:lol::lol:

Datatek said:

That's bull****, the noxious gasses put out by petrol engines is no better than the stuff put out by diesels, however your V8 burns a lot more fuel, so puts out more waste and depletes the oil resources faster. The current change of mind about diesels is all about softening up the public for a rise in diesel fuel duty. Lead in petrol was shown to be affecting the brains of infants.

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whereas diseasel engines just give everyone asthma instead

as for depleting the oil reserves,it reminds me of my primary school teacher telling us that there was only twenty years of the stuff left(we are talking late sixties here) now here we are 40+ years later with so much of the stuff we cant use it all. f+ck me im old

sassanach said:

whereas diseasel engines just give everyone asthma instead

as for depleting the oil reserves,it reminds me of my primary school teacher telling us that there was only twenty years of the stuff left(we are talking late sixties here) now here we are 40+ years later with so much of the stuff we cant use it all. f+ck me im old

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Very true,

I regard driving a 4.6 V8 as the last swan song of a truly powered vehicle. By the time i'm retired it will all be Hybrids, electric & god knows what powered. It will be all about getting to where your going the most efficient way but no enjoyment.

martynv8 said:

Very true,

I regard driving a 4.6 V8 as the last swan song of a truly powered vehicle. By the time i'm retired it will all be Hybrids, electric & god knows what powered. It will be all about getting to where your going the most efficient way but no enjoyment.

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I agree... a case of get it while you can! Its why I have the 650i as well!

sassanach said:

whereas diseasel engines just give everyone asthma instead

as for depleting the oil reserves,it reminds me of my primary school teacher telling us that there was only twenty years of the stuff left(we are talking late sixties here) now here we are 40+ years later with so much of the stuff we cant use it all. f+ck me im old

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and I remember a teacher saying that the biggest concern that we would have in the future was how to spend all our spare time that we would have as a result of the fantastic technological advances that were going to be made !!!

(Answer: by keeping old Landies going and wasting time on forums!)

f+ck me - I'm even older!

plumbfisher said:

and I remember a teacher saying that the biggest concern that we would have in the future was how to spend all our spare time that we would have as a result of the fantastic technological advances that were going to be made !!!

(Answer: by keeping old Landies going and wasting time on forums!)

f+ck me - I'm even older!

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It has brought about sweeping social change I just suspect that zero hour contracts and food banks weren't what they had in mind

blue beasty said:

It has brought about sweeping social change I just suspect that zero hour contracts and food banks weren't what they had in mind

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Maybe they didn't realise that much of industry would be shut down and the owners would invest their money abroad in the lands of cheap labour. Oh yeah nearly forgot. Then pay as little tax as possible here on their overseas profits. But it doesn't matter if it leaves people in the **** and reliant on food banks as long as the share holders get a good pay out and the business men and bankers are rich.

+1

Datatek said:

V8's are the work of the devil, one cylinder head too many too many plugs and valves, poor access to manifolds etc.
There was an excuse for them in the States when petrol was $0.50 a gallon, big lazy unstressed engines in big lazy cars that ran for ever.
No excuse now with diminishing oil reserves and high prices.
Most trucks have reverted to in line 6 cylinder engines, better power to weight ratio and easier access for maintenance, that should tell you something.

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It tells me someone is being rather naive.

wammers said:

No engine is faultless. It is just that some are less prone to faults than others. Diesels in general are less prone to faults than petrol engines.

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But the trouble here is, the "in general" statement. As most diesel engines are or where massively overbuilt, often under powered and usually had links to agricultural, heavy plant or marine engines.

It is a fallacy to delude yourself or try and convince others that ANY diesel engine is always more reliable than ANY petrol engine.

wammers said:

That is a simple fact of life. Or at least it is if you have been involved with engines both petrol and diesel for over fifty years.

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Which is the point in hand, old diesel engines are not really akin to modern ones with carbon blocks, DOHC, CRD and multi turbo setups.

And I'm willing to bet, if you are UK/EU based, then you'll have largely dealt with fairly high state of tune petrol engines. As that is the norm in this part of the world.

wammers said:

My P38 diesel is anything but slow. I can't think of a reason with todays speed restrictions and roads you would want a quicker motor.

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eh?

Calling a diesel p38a too slow is one thing, but now you've gone to far. Are you really trying to say you see no point in sports cars, supercars, performance saloons or hot hatches? If so, that's quite a blinkered opinion to have.

For the record, once you get out of the SE or cities, there are plenty of places in the UK to enjoy powerful cars.

oakey said:

I used to have a 200 tdi 130 which was a wonderful machine in, I think, the old days when they were called Land Rovers and not Defenders.

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Nope, the 130 was introduced when the Defender name was launched.

300bhp/ton said:

Nope, the 130 was introduced when the Defender name was launched.

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Not so I'm afraid, 127/130 launched in 83. Defender name not used until 1990. I think there were some badging issues with the 130 in that it just had land rover on the nose rather than 90/110.

Also I believe they were cut and shut 110's for a while until they started to make a proper 127/130 chassis although when that was I don't know.

quavey said:

Not so I'm afraid, 127/130 launched in 83. Defender name not used until 1990. I think there were some badging issues with the 130 in that it just had land rover on the nose rather than 90/110.

Also I believe they were cut and shut 110's for a while until they started to make a proper 127/130 chassis although when that was I don't know.

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Nope, it's really quite simple.

The new models where Ninety, One Ten and 127. The 127 used a modified 110 chassis. The 130 did not exist at this time and nor did the Defender.

When the Discovery was launched in 1989 and the Tdi engine introduced. It was decided to name the "Land Rover" model, as it was now part of a larger range of vehicles. And we got the Defender in 1990 with the introduction of the 200Tdi into these vehicles. Naming went to Defender 90, Defender 110 and Defender 130. The 130 still has the same 127" wheelbase as the 127 did, but now had a dedicated chassis, rather than a modified 110 one.

But the fact remains, if you had a 130 and not a 127, then you had a Defender.