2015 discovery Sport oil dipstick (is it wrong)

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Mike v.t.s

Mike v.t.s

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Hi guys, not been on here for a few years as I sold my much loved p38 (the worst decision Inc getting married)
So we have 2 identical 2015 disco sports both 2.0 diesels yet both have different dipsticks and different in length. Landrover dealers have been more than un helpful with which one would be the correct one etc, both vehicles are rapid responce ambulances so I need to make sure the oil levels are as accurate as can be due to the harsh driving conditions these engines have to endure everyday.
any help or advice would be muchly appreciated Pictures as below
 

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What part of 2015?
They changed engines so maybe the reason.
From "wiki"
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Jaguar Land Rover Ingenium engine
The Discovery Sport was initially powered by the same engine range that features in the outgoing Freelander 2 model for the first model year, the Ford EcoBoost four cylinder 2.0-litre turbocharged petrol engine producing 240 PS (180 kW; 240 hp) (the only engine option for North America) and the Ford Duratorq four cylinder 2.2-litre turbocharged diesel engine, producing either 150 PS (110 kW; 150 hp) or 190 PS (140 kW; 190 hp).[7][8][4][10]

The engines sourced from Ford were replaced by engines from Jaguar Land Rover's new Ingenium engine line from late 2015. The Ingenium family is a range of modular four cylinder turbocharged engines of 2.0-litre capacity, built around individual 500cc cylinders.


All i can say is dont mix up the dipsticks;).
Got pics of the engines for comparison?

J
 
To figure out which dipstick is good fill the engine with the correct amount of oil according to the owner's manual then see which dipstick shows well the level, maybe the engines are not 100% the same cos there are two types according to the WSM(high spec and mid spec)... one needs less oil than the other so check out by the engine serial numbers cos maybe the dipsticks are not wrong, see attachment and read this too https://www.pressreader.com/uk/land-rover-monthly/20191101/284073438357381
 

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Mike v.t.s said:
Hi guys, not been on here for a few years as I sold my much loved p38 (the worst decision Inc getting married)
So we have 2 identical 2015 disco sports both 2.0 diesels yet both have different dipsticks and different in length. Landrover dealers have been more than un helpful with which one would be the correct one etc, both vehicles are rapid responce ambulances so I need to make sure the oil levels are as accurate as can be due to the harsh driving conditions these engines have to endure everyday.
any help or advice would be muchly appreciated Pictures as below
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The number plates don't help age the vehicles do they!;):D:D:D
 
Mike v.t.s said:
Hi guys, not been on here for a few years as I sold my much loved p38 (the worst decision Inc getting married)
So we have 2 identical 2015 disco sports both 2.0 diesels yet both have different dipsticks and different in length. Landrover dealers have been more than un helpful with which one would be the correct one etc, both vehicles are rapid responce ambulances so I need to make sure the oil levels are as accurate as can be due to the harsh driving conditions these engines have to endure everyday.
any help or advice would be muchly appreciated Pictures as below
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There seem to be sufficient differences in the engine bays to assume the engines are different, so I'd just stick with what the diptsticks tell you and stop worrying about it!;)
 
marjon said:
What part of 2015?
They changed engines so maybe the reason.
From "wiki"
Engines[edit]

Jaguar Land Rover Ingenium engine
The Discovery Sport was initially powered by the same engine range that features in the outgoing Freelander 2 model for the first model year, the Ford EcoBoost four cylinder 2.0-litre turbocharged petrol engine producing 240 PS (180 kW; 240 hp) (the only engine option for North America) and the Ford Duratorq four cylinder 2.2-litre turbocharged diesel engine, producing either 150 PS (110 kW; 150 hp) or 190 PS (140 kW; 190 hp).[7][8][4][10]

The engines sourced from Ford were replaced by engines from Jaguar Land Rover's new Ingenium engine line from late 2015. The Ingenium family is a range of modular four cylinder turbocharged engines of 2.0-litre capacity, built around individual 500cc cylinders.


All i can say is dont mix up the dipsticks;).
Got pics of the engines for comparison?

J
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+1^
and you can see differences in the engine bays, even if one of the engines has its cover off and the other doesn't.
 
Stanleysteamer said:
There seem to be sufficient differences in the engine bays to assume the engines are different, so I'd just stick with what the diptsticks tell you and stop worrying about it!;)
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The flat twisted dipstick looks like the 2.2L PSA DW12 dipstick used in the Freelander 2, Evoque up to 2015 and the DS up to 2015 too.
 
Stanleysteamer said:
+1^
and you can see differences in the engine bays, even if one of the engines has its cover off and the other doesn't.
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Ahhh that makes sense, I did think they had different engines but Landrover jaguar in Bolton are completely USELESS and according to there Reg and Chassis number they both should have the same dipstick, I pointed out that one engine had a relatively “higher” dip stick tube that the other but Landrover assured me that both vehicles had the exact same part number for there dip sticks. That’s what threw me. Thanks for the reply
 
Nodge68 said:
The flat twisted dipstick looks like the 2.2L PSA DW12 dipstick used in the Freelander 2, Evoque up to 2015 and the DS up to 2015 too.
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Thanks for the reply, it was Landrover who told me both vehicles had same engines fitted according to chassis numbers… what can you do when the vehicle manufactures don’t even know what they’re talking about lol.
 
Mike v.t.s said:
They are both 65 plate vehicles, both from the same batch and fleet as they are ordered in lots of 20 at a time depending on where in the UK or what district/NHS trust there going too.
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Well considering they are identical except for the first letter and the three numbers are 999 and what they are used for, they look mightily like personal plates, especially as if they were 65 plate vehicles surely they would have 65 on the plates? What i meant was that if the year numbers on the plates were different i.e. 65 and 05 or summat, you'd have a better idea of which engine was in which.
I take it you have looked at the plates on the two vehicles?
X 999 PCA and W 999 PCA?
No 65 there at all.
Just saying.;)
 
Mike v.t.s said:
Ahhh that makes sense, I did think they had different engines but Landrover jaguar in Bolton are completely USELESS and according to there Reg and Chassis number they both should have the same dipstick, I pointed out that one engine had a relatively “higher” dip stick tube that the other but Landrover assured me that both vehicles had the exact same part number for there dip sticks. That’s what threw me. Thanks for the reply
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No problem, it is getting to the point where the last people you ask a technical question of, for a LR product, is a LR dealer. :(:(:(
 
Stanleysteamer said:
Well considering they are identical except for the first letter and the three numbers are 999 and what they are used for, they look mightily like personal plates, especially as if they were 65 plate vehicles surely they would have 65 on the plates? What i meant was that if the year numbers on the plates were different i.e. 65 and 05 or summat, you'd have a better idea of which engine was in which.
I take it you have looked at the plates on the two vehicles?
X 999 PCA and W 999 PCA?
No 65 there at all.
Just saying.;)
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We fitted the private plates as there on a medical contract with a certain nhs trust, both vehicles are direct ex- east of England ambulance trust (NHS) one vehicle was AE65 LSO and the other was AE65 LVH,
Both vehicles when on diagnostic machine come up as 2016 with same engine codes and both vehicles have the same tenth chassis number being “G” which indicates 2016, both vehicles come up with the same vehicle data when on diagnostics using AUTOMATIC VEHICLE I.D (as per photo) I’ve taken the engine cover of and both engines look identical apart from the dipstick tube being lower on one of the vehicles, yet Landrover still say both vehicles have the same dipstick part number so both should be the same, the problem is we don’t no if both sticks have been mixed up and just wanted to triple check, it’s one of those where once you start you got to see it through lol, The parts chap is just a young lad reading from a computer parts screen tho…
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That's interesting.
A slight change of supplier in production is the likely cause.
The dipstick tubes are different lengths, so the longer stick goes in the taller tube.
 
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I would suggest taking the dipsticks and comparing them to each others suggest to me you may have other issues.
 
lynall said:
I would suggest taking the dipsticks and comparing them to each others suggest to me you may have other issues.
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I don't know about other issues, but those engines definitely weren't made in the same production run. There are several differences, from different pipe designs and different pipe routes on some of the fuel lines.
So the engines are the same type, but some parts have to substituted in production, probably for equivalent parts from other suppliers, the diptsticks tubes being included in the substituted parts.
 
Mike v.t.s said:
what can you do when the vehicle manufactures don’t even know what they’re talking about lol.
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Not buy one ? :confused:o_O :eek: ....:rolleyes:

Stanleysteamer said:
No problem, it is getting to the point where the last people you ask a technical question of, for a LR product, is a LR dealer. :(:(:(
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+1 - gave up years ago - apparently the kick down bracket on the FIP on a 300Tdi only fits the automatic FIP !! - whatever that is :confused: ...
 
Nodge68 said:
So the engines are the same type, but some parts have to substituted in production, probably for equivalent parts from other suppliers, the diptsticks tubes being included in the substituted parts.
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Seems the most likely to me too - wouldn't the dipstick and tube come as a pair in that case though? And wouldn't the dealer know this ?

Sorry, no, of course not :rolleyes: o_O :D

OP - have you looked for an online parts catalogue to see if that helps ?
 
Mike v.t.s said:
We fitted the private plates as there on a medical contract with a certain nhs trust, both vehicles are direct ex- east of England ambulance trust (NHS) one vehicle was AE65 LSO and the other was AE65 LVH,
Both vehicles when on diagnostic machine come up as 2016 with same engine codes and both vehicles have the same tenth chassis number being “G” which indicates 2016, both vehicles come up with the same vehicle data when on diagnostics using AUTOMATIC VEHICLE I.D (as per photo) I’ve taken the engine cover of and both engines look identical apart from the dipstick tube being lower on one of the vehicles, yet Landrover still say both vehicles have the same dipstick part number so both should be the same, the problem is we don’t no if both sticks have been mixed up and just wanted to triple check, it’s one of those where once you start you got to see it through lol, The parts chap is just a young lad reading from a computer parts screen tho… View attachment 276402View attachment 276403 View attachment 276404
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Yep, if you play "spot the difference" there are quite a few! Colours of plugs, pipe runs...
So the number plates were private plates, makes sense.
I think we know what you will do about this. Just keep the two dipsticks in the correct tubes and stop worrying about it.
But the help you don't get from LR and their dealers is very disappointing.:(:(
 
Disco1BFG said:
wouldn't the dipstick and tube come as a pair in that case though?
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They do, the dipstick and dipstick tube can be supplied as a single unit in production under 1 part number, and as spares later on under the same part number. The dipstick and tube will likely be available separately, but under different part numbers.
 
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