200tdi idles at max rpm

This site contains affiliate links for which LandyZone may be compensated if you make a purchase.
There were 2 kindof rockers attached to one and other. They moved very very freely with no hesitation. All the metal looked very dull indeed with rust on some areas

This rust, somewhere, is probably almost certainly what is causing your issue.

In the image above, the gear on the left spins that top flyweight housing, can you see the metal flap things that stick out the flyweight housing? these are the weights, at different speeds the weights sit at different points and push the shaft they sit on into the levers, this system of parts makes up the governor, with no spinning effect the governor sits in FULL fuel delivery position, that will be in this case with the shaft over to the left of the image (because the weights want to fly out straight, in doing so they shove the shaft into the right, so you want to see if that shaft will move side to side, particularly to the right which reduces fuel (looking at the image). The pump simply constantly wants to be spinning, this is the normal for the FIP, moving! The governor however needs to deal with demand from us mortals so the governor is adjustable by the throttle which is what the top linkage does. It can basically alter the point at the pump says right, no more fuel (which isn't often when driving) that flyweight system is VERY sensitive and will notice changes in speeds that we cannot even detect, but it basically keeps enough fuel going in to keep the engine going.

So lets say you push your foot halfway to the floor, the linkage alters the governors set point, the system now tries to equalise itself at this new set point, to do this it must spin faster to get the weights out further, then it will start to shut down fuel delivery to maintain speed rather than accelerate.

So - knowing that, did all those bits move correctly?
 
Right, I read and re-read your previous post, and the shaft the weights sit on does not move at all. Is this normal?

Hmmm. No it needs to move that's how the spinning weights control the fuel. VERY gently, try lifting one of the weights up a little. The shaft should not be so tight as not to move. See the lever it actuates, will it freely move? i.e. if the shaft was to move can it move the lever OK as it tries to kill the fuel?
 
The weights move r
Hmmm. No it needs to move that's how the spinning weights control the fuel. VERY gently, try lifting one of the weights up a little. The shaft should not be so tight as not to move. See the lever it actuates, will it freely move? i.e. if the shaft was to move can it move the lever OK as it tries to kill the fuel?
The weights move very freely but the shaft they sit on does not move at all.
 

With all due respect Kwakerman it would be good to see your thoughts and additions to this troubleshooting tonight. The point of a forum is to publicly solve issues. If we all PMed our thoughts and solutions then forums would die.
 
Fraser, here is an image showing the action that you need to witness working in order for your pump to work.

So the triangle shaped weights fly up as speed increases, the push the shaft (in this case a sleeve but the VE may be the whole shaft I've never removed it from the flyweight housing on one of these) to the right. As you can see the direct action this has on the metering valve below.

maxspeed.jpg
 
With all due respect Kwakerman it would be good to see your thoughts and additions to this troubleshooting tonight. The point of a forum is to publicly solve issues. If we all PMed our thoughts and solutions then forums would die.
Wasn't trying to be all secretive / knowledge is power etc, I sent Fraser a copy of the VE pump manual so he could see how the throttle works. Manual is 60+ pages so cant post it here but it is available on the net (but don't have a link as I found it a few years ago).
 
Wasn't trying to be all secretive / knowledge is power etc, I sent Fraser a copy of the VE pump manual so he could see how the throttle works. Manual is 60+ pages so cant post it here but it is available on the net (but don't have a link as I found it a few years ago).

All good. It got me going because the number of times I am in need of help with something, from fixing a boiler to building a house someone posts something as a private message or off the forum and after being so pleased you find a lead you discover the critical information is hidden.

Anyway. Good call. It looks like Fraser got it tonight and hats off to the guy because I have not managed to talk many people into taking their injection pump lids off!
 
Tweaked the lever position and now wants to fire but the battery is quite flat now lol. I'll leave it a lil bit and try it again but it feels as if it wants to idle properly now... we shall see.
 
Well done. be careful that the levers are all sitting in their home positions. There is a start lever in there, this is like flat out full diesel delivery mode to get it to start, if this is even slightly actuated to the running position, the engine will struggle to start.
 
Well done. be careful that the levers are all sitting in their home positions. There is a start lever in there, this is like flat out full diesel delivery mode to get it to start, if this is even slightly actuated to the running position, the engine will struggle to start.
That must be what's happened, the thing won't start now.. I'll have a go at tweaking it's position again
 
Right, well this is getting a bit ridiculous now. I've tried every position possible and either it just doesn't fire or it starts and then hunts at idle and can't rev or increase engine speed in any way. Any ideas?
 
Back
Top