200-300 tdi qs

i currently have a defender 200 tdi enjin in me defender but have been offerd a complete 300 tdi disco.

now i know the enjin mounts need changing and the exhaust,intercooler pipes etc..

the qs is what benefits does the 300 tdi have over the 200 tdi,

ffs make up your mind you were selling it two minutes ago.

200tdi is fine,pre edc 300 has enlarged bearings-but not worth the effort of changing in my opinion

fanatic said:

ffs make up your mind you were selling it two minutes ago.

200tdi is fine,pre edc 300 has enlarged bearings-but not worth the effort of changing in my opinion

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you can still buy it if ya want...

There are quite a few difference with the 300tdi against the 200tdi.

Description below.

300Tdi
Although the 200Tdi engine had been an undoubted technological and sales success, it had certain limitations and flaws that needed to be rectified. Despite the numerous differences, it was still in essence a direct-injection version of the older Diesel Turbo engine.[63] It was also considered rather raucous and unrefined, especially for use in the Discovery and Range Rover models.[67] A special version of the engine had to be produced to fit the Defender, and problems with premature bore wear in early models, and a weak head gasket had been identified.[68] The British Army (and some other military buyers) had not opted for the 200Tdi because it could not be fitted with a 24-volt generator for powering radio equipment- instead the Army continued to buy vehicles with 2.5-litre naturally-aspirated diesels.[60] Upcoming European diesel emissions regulations (Euro I) meant that Land Rover would be forced to radically alter the engine anyway. The resulting development project (coded Romulus) produced the 300Tdi engine. Although externally very similar to the Discovery/Range Rover version of its predecessor, 208 changes were made. These included modifications to the block, cylinder head, fuel injector system and ancillary systems. The crankshaft, pistons and connecting rods were significantly altered over the 200Tdi.[69] The most obvious external changes were the fitting of a rubber acoustic cover over the engine to reduce noise and the change to a single serpentine belt to drive the ancillaries instead of the multiple V-belts of the older engines. Emissions regulation included the fitting of an exhaust gas recirculation system. Power and torque outputs remained the same, and the engine had been specifically designed to be compatible with all the models in the Land Rover range without any changes. This meant that the Defender engines were fitted in the same tune as the Discovery/Range Rover engines.[60] The 300Tdi was noticeably smoother and quieter than the 200Tdi, but was generally found to not be quite as economical in real-world use.[70] It turned out that the Euro I emissions regulations were not as severe as Land Rover anticipated, and so the 300Tdi was able to remain in production until the introduction of the Euro III rules. When fitted to vehicles with an automatic transmission, power was increased to 122 horsepower to make up for the power losses in the transmission. These engines (designated 23L) had Bosch Electronic Diesel Control systems, where the mechanical injector system was controlled by a ‘fly-by-wire’ electronic throttle to reduce emissions.[71] The 300Tdi was replaced in 1998 by the 5-cylinder Td5, bringing to an end the line of Land Rover 4-cylinder engines that can be traced back to 1957. The Td5 engine was loosely based on the Rover Group’s L-series diesel engine. The 300Tdi remained in production in Brazil, and was offered as an option on ‘Rest of World’ (non-UK/Europe) models. Following Ford’s acquisition of Land Rover in 2000, the engine was used in Brazilian-built Ford pick-up trucks as well.[12] Increasing emissions laws worldwide and falling sales led to production of the 300Tdi ending in 2006. A much-modified 2.8-litre version is still built by International Engines in Brazil, and is available as an after-market fitment to Land Rovers through specialist converter.

wiltshire landyman said:

you can still buy it if ya want...

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How much?????

scotia said:

How much?????

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£5-5.5k

:jaw::faint2::faint2::faint2::faint2::faint2::faint2::laugh:

wiltshire landyman said:

£5-5.5k

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Series71 said:

:jaw::faint2::faint2::faint2::faint2::faint2::faint2::laugh:

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dont forget it is actually a runner and not a garden ornament

wiltshire landyman said:

dont forget it is actually a runner and not a garden ornament

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by the weekend it'll be a runner as I bit the bullet and bought a noo weber fer it.....fookin most expensive fing I've ever had ter buy fer it.......nearly 90 quid

Series71 said:

by the weekend it'll be a runner as I bit the bullet and bought a noo weber fer it.....fookin most expensive fing I've ever had ter buy fer it.......nearly 90 quid

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me mate did have 2 but untill he starts the rebuild he dont know which one is bestist..

I belive the 200 is a stronger engine than the 300...

that's what my mech says and he's been working on land rover for fok knows how long...

[JP];1141889 said:

I belive the 200 is a stronger engine than the 300...

that's what my mech says and he's been working on land rover for fok knows how long...

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According to the blurb and all the advice I've had over the years, the 300tdi is most definitely the better engine and much stronger.
Read up - and make your choice.

scotia said:

According to the blurb and all the advice I've had over the years, the 300tdi is most definitely the better engine and much stronger.
Read up - and make your choice.

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twos only a fort..been offerd a nice disco with mot guys strapped for cash and will take £500

soooooo what ya doin with the 200 if you go for the 300?

I'd trust someone off here more than the bay for a replacement engine if it's available

PaulWilde said:

soooooo what ya doin with the 200 if you go for the 300?

I'd trust someone off here more than the bay for a replacement engine if it's available

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i thought there was more power or refinement to had with the 300 but it seams like theres nothin in it so there dont seem much point swapping

wiltshire landyman said:

i thought there was more power or refinement to had with the 300 but it seams like theres nothin in it so there dont seem much point swapping

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No worries There seems to be a fair amount of work involved fitting them as well with a few parts that need replacing over a 200 conversion.

PaulWilde said:

No worries There seems to be a fair amount of work involved fitting them as well with a few parts that need replacing over a 200 conversion.

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yeah you'd need to keep your 200 flywheel housing as well if you want to join it to your LT77.