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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Mar 22, 2006

• #41

On or around Wed, 22 Mar 2006 20:47:53 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:41:24 -0000, NW wrote:
>
>> What annoys me is the steady thrust towards portraying the large car
>> owner as some kind of pariah. This does no good at all for social
>> harmony which is a bit pushed at times as it is.
>
>Agreed, it was wrankling on me at lunchtime, before the Budget, that they
>where using the phrase "gas guzzling 4x4s". I did notice that this did
>seem to change to "gas guzzlers" later. Now did they get some phone
>calls? Though I doubt they'd be passed down fast enough, so it's more
>likely the presenters just got fed up saying the longer phrase.
>
>And why the pre-occupation with the private motorist? What about all the
>trucks, what mpg do they get? Nothing like the 28/gallon my DII averages
>I bet. Get the trucks of the road an onto more effcient transport, like
>rail or even the canals.

Mind, if you compare a truck which carries say 20T of cargo with your DII
hauling maybe 2T in vehicle and trailer, you'd need 10 DIIs to haul the same
amount of stuff, at an equivalent MPG of 2.8, which bearing in mind a modern
38T artic carrying 20T should get 10 mpg is not all that clever.

doesn't mean that bulk haulage shouldn't be on the railway, mind. As for
canals, we never upgraded them enough in this country - you need bigger
canals and bigger boats to be viable.
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put
as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #42

On or around Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:27:52 +0000, Judith
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:14:44 -0000, "Richard"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> - What CO2/km is my 1997 Disco 1 likely to chuck out? I have MOT Test
>>> smokemetre printouts but it's not clear what the numbers mean.
>>
>>It's quoted in the Vehicle Reg. Document ......... just looked at mine for a
>>TD4 and it gives 205G/KM so even new ones of those will stay outside the new
>>top band.
>
>Mine has no figures quoted on the V5C. The space is there but there
>are no printed figures.

yours is pre 2001 and so it doesn't apply. Graduated duty didn't start til
march 2001 and is not retrospective.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put
as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8

 

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David G. Bell

Guest

• Mar 22, 2006

• #43

On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "Neil Brownlee" wrote:

> The actual changes are...
>
> * Vehicles registered before 1st March 2001
>
> Duty for vehicles above 1549cc increased from £170 to £175. Duty for
> smaller engines unchanged at £110.
>
> * Vehicles registered on or after 1st March 2001
>
> Band D and E vehicles have their duty unchanged. Vehicles with lower
> emissions have cheaper RFL, and vehicles with higher emissions get
> more expensive.
>
> For vehicles that don't fall into the next group, the highest band
> is still F, with petrol RFL rising from £165 to £190, and diesel
> rising from £170 to £195.
>
> * Vehicles registered on or after 23rd March 2006
>
> This has the new GVED band "G". For emissions of 226 g/km or more
> of CO2, this introduces a RFL of £200 for alternative fuels, £210
> for petrol, and £215 for diesel.

Well. I'm OK, but I have an ex-MOD Land Rover and age-related plates,
and this looks as if it will mean the MoT regs and the VED regs can have
different dates applying to the same vehicle.

If I've figured it right (and I did make a couple of guesses) that G-
band is anything less than about 32mpg. And the extra tax is about the
same as ten gallons of fuel.



--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"I am Number Two," said Penfold. "You are Number Six."

 

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Nige

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #44

John Smith wrote:
> FFS.
>
> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>
> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>
> These people have No Idea.

As mines a pre-2001 car I'm gonna richen mine up good & proper, see if we can get it a bit warmer round
here ffs. Been cold for ages!

--

Subaru WRX
Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)
110 Hi Cap (Ben)

'"Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one"

 

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Huw

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #45

Richard Brookman wrote:
> ...and Dave Liquorice spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 19:41:24 -0000, NW wrote:
>>
>>> What annoys me is the steady thrust towards portraying the large car
>>> owner as some kind of pariah.
>
>> And why the pre-occupation with the private motorist? What about all
>> the trucks, what mpg do they get?
>
> Aviation fuel is consumed in massive quantities without any duty being
> paid - and the pollution is squirted out right there high in the
> atmosphere where it can disperse and do the most damage. I would
> like to see 47p/litre duty charged on that (and VAT added on top of
> the duty) before I would think that any further penalties on the
> motorist were justified on environmental grounds. We'd just have to
> get used to paying a realistic price to fly anywhere.
>
> Trouble is, the people who are keenest on their £1 return flights to
> Majorca are the people who are keeping this bunch of dishonest
> bastards in power.

You are the only one here that has hit the nail on its head. Well done.
The tax on fuel and cars is nothing to do with the environment. It is purely
what he feels he can get away with in raising revenue.

Huw

 

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Ian Rawlings

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #46

On 2006-03-22, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> How many speedbumps do you drive over each week?

Virtually none, but plenty of suspension-jarring bumps with potholes
and protruding kerbs on the track outside the house, and the roads
around here have more mud and cow**** that some green lanes I've
driven!

I used to live in a city (Reading) though with speed bumps being
common, but I didn't try to leap from one to the other ;-)

> If I was a normal person buying a new car (rather than driving lots of
> classic old cars and landrovers!) i'd be going for something with some
> decent groundclearance to avoid the bumps!

Yeah but not a £60K+ "off-roader" though...

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Ian Rawlings

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #47

On 2006-03-22, Tom Woods <[email protected]> wrote:

> ..however, i'm self employed and claim back a mileage allowance off
> the taxman - and its the same for my car per mile on lpg as it was on
> petrol

That used to add about £200 or so to my wage packet most months back
in the good old days, hopefully soon to return ;-)

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Ian Rawlings

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #48

On 2006-03-22, Peter <[email protected]> wrote:

> Whenever I read of someone advocating LPG conversions for thirsty
> engines because, even though fuel consumption tends to be heavier than
> with petrol, the fuel is so much cheaper than petrol, I am struck by the
> fact that no mention is made that LPG is a finite resource.

Indeed, but then what isn't? In human timescales, solar power is
pretty good, but not much cop for powering a car, especially at
night..

Burning waste oil or veg oil in a diesel engine would be a good way to
carry on in the short term until we find the magic bullet.

> I would add that I am stuck with LPG for domestic heating (unless I find
> a lot of money for switching to oil) and, watching the price of LPG rise
> almost by the day, I am a bit prickly on the subject

I pay £130 per month to heat a four-bed house in Dorset on kerosene,
somewhere around the 30p/l mark. thankfully it drops in the summer!!

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Ian Rawlings

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #49

On 2006-03-22, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:

> But it's still a Diesel and will never be a V8!

Yeah but a V8 that isn't in a space-framed tiny little british sports
car that weights about the same as my landy's spare wheel is a wasted V8!

> than Diesel for the milage, has a much nicer drive and doesn't leave my ears
> ringing post trip.

My landy doesn't give me a hearing problem, after using it I can't
hear a thing so I just type messages to people instead, no problem...

Anyhow, I can't really hear the diesel engine over the flapping of the
canvas, the rumbling of the tyres, the wind noise and the
transmission, in fact I forgot to change into 5th recently and
wondered why the truck didn't have much go, didn't hear the engine
revving its nuts off....

> It also makes me very smug when I fill up with gas each time we have a knee
> jerk petrol shortage, yup smug as a smug thing!

I just fill up with veg oil from the local cash 'n' carry or fill a
few jerry cans beforehand, it's relatively safe to store diesel in
your garden.

> I've had Diesel Landrover / Range Rovers and I know where my preference is.

V8s belong in sports cars, not fecking great big bunny squashers.

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Ian Rawlings

Guest

• Mar 22, 2006

• #50

On 2006-03-22, Dave Liquorice <[email protected]> wrote:

> And why the pre-occupation with the private motorist? What about all the
> trucks, what mpg do they get? Nothing like the 28/gallon my DII averages
> I bet. Get the trucks of the road an onto more effcient transport, like
> rail or even the canals.

Also stop buying goods like fruit that are shipped from overseas, each
banana etc costs about its own weight in fuel to ship the thing
halfway across the planet quickly enough for it to be fresh when it
hits the shelves. I've heard about people buying "organic" goods to
help save the planet etc etc, but they're shipped from the bloody USA
and they're not free of pesticides etc, just certain ones.

"Save the planet" is becoming one of those terms that's used as
justification for everything, like "safety" and "terrorism".

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Badger

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• Mar 22, 2006

• #51

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:59:37 -0000, "Badger"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>My disco (on LPG) is a 2000, so no probs there, really. My old 110 (1983,
>>again on LPG) only does around 2000 miles a year tops however, so any
>>increase is a pain and unfair as I see it due to the lower mileages done.
>
> although of course you'll pay much less duty and VAT via the fuel...

Fair comment Austin, but I'm still being stung for a road tax that doesn't
even get spent on the roads these days!!
Badger.

 

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Lee_D

Guest

• Mar 22, 2006

• #52

Nige <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> --
>
> Subaru WRX
> Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)
> 110 Hi Cap (Ben)
>
> '"Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one"

You need to change your sig........ again.......

;-)

Lee

 

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Larry

Guest

• Mar 22, 2006

• #53

Whilst casting a nod in the direction of the hysterical anti 4X4 lobby cos
he thinks there might be votes in it.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard Brookman wrote:
> You are the only one here that has hit the nail on its head. Well done.
> The tax on fuel and cars is nothing to do with the environment. It is
purely
> what he feels he can get away with in raising revenue.
>
> Huw
>
>

 

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Alex

Guest

• Mar 23, 2006

• #54

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:27:59 -0000, "John Smith" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>FFS.
>
>£210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>
>£210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>
>These people have No Idea.
>

£0 for a Pre-73 Series.

Wonder why I run IIa's.....

Alex

 

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Dave Liquorice

Guest

• Mar 23, 2006

• #55

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:11:57 -0000, Huw wrote:

> The tax on fuel and cars is nothing to do with the environment. It is
> purely what he feels he can get away with in raising revenue.

Agreed, and as he feels he can't get away with it any more the inflation
related rises that should have happened since the fuel protests a year or
so back haven't happened...

Duty on aviation fuel would be nice but I'm not sure it would have the
desired effect, the airlines would buy fuel in places without the Duty.
They already do buy where it's cheapest when they can to avoid refuelling
at "expensive" airports.

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Danny@Kendal

Guest

• Mar 23, 2006

• #56

"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> FFS.
>
> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>
> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?

Vehicles post 2001 were taxed on CO2 emission levels, vehicles prior to that
are taxed on engine size.

Getchore VED rates heeyar!
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/taxation.htm

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Mar 23, 2006

• #57

On or around Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:24:25 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
("David G. Bell") enlightened us thusly:

>On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "Neil Brownlee" wrote:
>
>> The actual changes are...
>>
>> * Vehicles registered before 1st March 2001
>>
>> Duty for vehicles above 1549cc increased from £170 to £175. Duty for
>> smaller engines unchanged at £110.
>>
>> * Vehicles registered on or after 1st March 2001
>>
>> Band D and E vehicles have their duty unchanged. Vehicles with lower
>> emissions have cheaper RFL, and vehicles with higher emissions get
>> more expensive.
>>
>> For vehicles that don't fall into the next group, the highest band
>> is still F, with petrol RFL rising from £165 to £190, and diesel
>> rising from £170 to £195.
>>
>> * Vehicles registered on or after 23rd March 2006
>>
>> This has the new GVED band "G". For emissions of 226 g/km or more
>> of CO2, this introduces a RFL of £200 for alternative fuels, £210
>> for petrol, and £215 for diesel.
>
>Well. I'm OK, but I have an ex-MOD Land Rover and age-related plates,
>and this looks as if it will mean the MoT regs and the VED regs can have
>different dates applying to the same vehicle.
>
>If I've figured it right (and I did make a couple of guesses) that G-
>band is anything less than about 32mpg. And the extra tax is about the
>same as ten gallons of fuel.

I suspect there may be a precedent created to allow either the addition of
another higher band or to make band G more expensive in future, though.

--
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"Chuck didn't reply, so George swung round in his saddle. He could just
see Chuck's face, a white oval turned toward the sky.
'Look,' whispered Chuck, and George lifted his eyes to heaven.
(There is always a last time for everything.)
Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out"
Arthur C. Clarke, "The 9 billion names of God"

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Mar 23, 2006

• #58

On or around Thu, 23 Mar 2006 00:38:30 +0000, Alex
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:27:59 -0000, "John Smith" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>FFS.
>>
>>£210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>>
>>£210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>>
>>These people have No Idea.
>>
>
>£0 for a Pre-73 Series.
>
>Wonder why I run IIa's.....

ditto my series III.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Chuck didn't reply, so George swung round in his saddle. He could just
see Chuck's face, a white oval turned toward the sky.
'Look,' whispered Chuck, and George lifted his eyes to heaven.
(There is always a last time for everything.)
Overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out"
Arthur C. Clarke, "The 9 billion names of God"

 

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Badger

Guest

• Mar 23, 2006

• #59

"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:11:57 -0000, Huw wrote:
>
>> The tax on fuel and cars is nothing to do with the environment. It is
>> purely what he feels he can get away with in raising revenue.
>
> Agreed, and as he feels he can't get away with it any more the inflation
> related rises that should have happened since the fuel protests a year or
> so back haven't happened...
>
> Duty on aviation fuel would be nice but I'm not sure it would have the
> desired effect, the airlines would buy fuel in places without the Duty.
> They already do buy where it's cheapest when they can to avoid refuelling
> at "expensive" airports.

But an aircraft has a maximum landing weight, beyond which there are issues
with tyres and brakes etc and so cannot for example land at Heathrow, take
on a fresh load of passengers/cargo and then set off for, say, New York. It
has to refuel, so the company would have no choice but to pay the tax, which
would push up the cost of air travel/freight. personally, I fail to see why
one of the largest polluting modes of transport (not necessarily grams of
pollution per passenger, but per mile travelled) shouldn't be taxed just
like the rest of us!
Badger.

 

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Oakesy

Guest

• Mar 24, 2006

• #60

Badger wrote:

>"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>
>>On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 22:11:57 -0000, Huw wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The tax on fuel and cars is nothing to do with the environment. It is
>>>purely what he feels he can get away with in raising revenue.
>>>
>>>
>>Agreed, and as he feels he can't get away with it any more the inflation
>>related rises that should have happened since the fuel protests a year or
>>so back haven't happened...
>>
>>Duty on aviation fuel would be nice but I'm not sure it would have the
>>desired effect, the airlines would buy fuel in places without the Duty.
>>They already do buy where it's cheapest when they can to avoid refuelling
>>at "expensive" airports.
>>
>>
>
>But an aircraft has a maximum landing weight, beyond which there are issues
>with tyres and brakes etc and so cannot for example land at Heathrow, take
>on a fresh load of passengers/cargo and then set off for, say, New York. It
>has to refuel, so the company would have no choice but to pay the tax, which
>would push up the cost of air travel/freight. personally, I fail to see why
>one of the largest polluting modes of transport (not necessarily grams of
>pollution per passenger, but per mile travelled) shouldn't be taxed just
>like the rest of us!
>Badger.
>
>
>
>
Hello Brian.
I think would mean admitting guilt as a polluter

regards still daft as ever john