£210

FFS.

£210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.

£210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?

These people have No Idea.

John Smith <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> FFS.
>
> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>
> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>
> These people have No Idea.

No mention as I see it on 10 year old vehicles just new for the new
bands.... i.e. pre 2001 I think you will find it'll cost you £5 more a year.

Seems fair to me, only wish they would offer a VED incentive for LPG'd
vehicles, but the lower tax on the forecourt price again is fair enough I
suppose.

Not a bad turnout for 4x4 drivers in my opinion and no worse than equally
polluting similarly engined NEW and post 2001 vehicles.

Lee
--
www.lrproject.com

"John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> FFS.
>
> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>
> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>
> These people have No Idea.
>
I understand the £210 road tax rate is for all vehicles that emit more than
a certain level of CO2 pollution. Can anyone confirm exactly what level has
been specified.

Richard

Richard <[email protected]> uttered summat
worrerz funny about:
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> FFS.
>>
>> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>>
>> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>>
>> These people have No Idea.
>>
> I understand the £210 road tax rate is for all vehicles that emit
> more than a certain level of CO2 pollution. Can anyone confirm
> exactly what level has been specified.
>
> Richard

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf

start reading at page 170 , it's a Big file though.

Lee

Lee_D wrote:
> Richard <[email protected]> uttered summat
> worrerz funny about:
> > "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> FFS.
> >>
> >> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
> >>
> >> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
> >>
> >> These people have No Idea.
> >>
> > I understand the £210 road tax rate is for all vehicles that emit
> > more than a certain level of CO2 pollution. Can anyone confirm
> > exactly what level has been specified.
> >
> > Richard
>
> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320..pdf
>
> start reading at page 170 , it's a Big file though.
>
> Lee

If I read it correctly it only talks about petrol engines....

Cheers

Peter

The actual changes are...

* Vehicles registered before 1st March 2001

Duty for vehicles above 1549cc increased from £170 to £175. Duty for
smaller engines unchanged at £110.

* Vehicles registered on or after 1st March 2001

Band D and E vehicles have their duty unchanged. Vehicles with lower
emissions have cheaper RFL, and vehicles with higher emissions get
more expensive.

For vehicles that don't fall into the next group, the highest band
is still F, with petrol RFL rising from £165 to £190, and diesel
rising from £170 to £195.

* Vehicles registered on or after 23rd March 2006

This has the new GVED band "G". For emissions of 226 g/km or more
of CO2, this introduces a RFL of £200 for alternative fuels, £210
for petrol, and £215 for diesel.

--
Neil

On 22 Mar 2006 08:44:00 -0800, "puffernutter"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf
>>
>> start reading at page 170 , it's a Big file though.
>>
>> Lee
>
>If I read it correctly it only talks about petrol engines....

That's what I thought, but then it mentions buses - which are likely
to be diesel.

What I want to know is:

- What CO2/km is my 1997 Disco 1 likely to chuck out? I have MOT Test
smokemetre printouts but it's not clear what the numbers mean.

- Does this new stepped VED rate apply to my car - or just to newly
registered ones, or registered after 2001 or petrol only?

As with most Budget announcements I'm confused! I shall wait till I
get the bill.

Judith

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:55:11 -0000, "Neil Brownlee"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The actual changes are...
>
>* Vehicles registered before 1st March 2001
>
>Duty for vehicles above 1549cc increased from £170 to £175. Duty for
>smaller engines unchanged at £110.

Ah, I see. Thanks for that.

Judith

"Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Richard <[email protected]> uttered summat
> worrerz funny about:
>> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> FFS.
>>>
>>> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>>>
>>> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>>>
>>> These people have No Idea.
>>>
>> I understand the £210 road tax rate is for all vehicles that emit
>> more than a certain level of CO2 pollution. Can anyone confirm
>> exactly what level has been specified.
>>
>> Richard
>
> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf
>
> start reading at page 170 , it's a Big file though.
>
> Lee
>
Cheers I'll scan that section.

BTW I see a Greanpeace have stated they would like the top band to be nearer
£1800 per year.

Richard

Richard wrote:

>
> "Lee_D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Richard <[email protected]> uttered summat
>> worrerz funny about:
>>> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> FFS.
>>>>
>>>> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>>>>
>>>> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>>>>
>>>> These people have No Idea.
>>>>
>>> I understand the £210 road tax rate is for all vehicles that emit
>>> more than a certain level of CO2 pollution. Can anyone confirm
>>> exactly what level has been specified.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>>
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf
>>
>> start reading at page 170 , it's a Big file though.
>>
>> Lee
>>
> Cheers I'll scan that section.
>
> BTW I see a Greanpeace have stated they would like the top band to be
> nearer £1800 per year.
>

Well - as long as we bring in a charge for belchy diesel vessels of whatever
class Rainbow Warrior is of around Greenpeaces entire income plus a fiver
then that's fine.

P.

Way I see it, I escape with an increase of £5 being as my Landie is too old
to have any carbon emmissions calculated against it, and is anyhow already
in the higher band of pre 2001 vehicles. Would have been a nice gesture if
he allowed another 5 years on the historical vehicle category though.
Nothing like as scary as we were led to believe anyhow and no blanket tax on
4X4 for 4X4's sake


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes



"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "John Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> I understand the £210 road tax rate is for all vehicles that emit more
than
> a certain level of CO2 pollution. Can anyone confirm exactly what level
has
> been specified.
>
> Richard
>
>

If Greenpeace really had any sence they would go for the insurance companies
instead and encourage them to make Chelsea Tractors virtually uninsurable.

I lost faith with Greenpeace when they overestimated the amount of
pollutants in that oil platform that was towed out to sea and sunk.

Fortunately they are destroying there own case by aiming for such a
ridiculosly high taxband.


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes







"Richard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Cheers I'll scan that section.
>
> BTW I see a Greanpeace have stated they would like the top band to be
nearer
> £1800 per year.
>
> Richard
>
>

"Judith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 22 Mar 2006 08:44:00 -0800, "puffernutter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/bud06_completereport_2320.pdf
>>>
>>> start reading at page 170 , it's a Big file though.
>>>
>>> Lee
>>
>>If I read it correctly it only talks about petrol engines....
>
> That's what I thought, but then it mentions buses - which are likely
> to be diesel.
>
> What I want to know is:
>
> - What CO2/km is my 1997 Disco 1 likely to chuck out? I have MOT Test
> smokemetre printouts but it's not clear what the numbers mean.

It's quoted in the Vehicle Reg. Document ......... just looked at mine for a
TD4 and it gives 205G/KM so even new ones of those will stay outside the new
top band.

Richard
>
> - Does this new stepped VED rate apply to my car - or just to newly
> registered ones, or registered after 2001 or petrol only?
>
> As with most Budget announcements I'm confused! I shall wait till I
> get the bill.
>
> Judith

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:14:44 -0000, "Richard"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> - What CO2/km is my 1997 Disco 1 likely to chuck out? I have MOT Test
>> smokemetre printouts but it's not clear what the numbers mean.
>
>It's quoted in the Vehicle Reg. Document ......... just looked at mine for a
>TD4 and it gives 205G/KM so even new ones of those will stay outside the new
>top band.

Mine has no figures quoted on the V5C. The space is there but there
are no printed figures.

Judith

"Larry" wrote ...
> If Greenpeace really had any sence they would go for the insurance
> companies
> instead and encourage them to make Chelsea Tractors virtually uninsurable.
>
Why? We are also walkers and do most of it in the Surrey Hills where we are
constantly amazed to find houses with long unmade roads leading to them, a
"Chelsea Tractor" would be the only sensible vehicle in the winter (well a
normal wet muddy winter). I certainly would not wish to drive my 3 series on
some of those roads even in the summer for fear of grounding, a VW Golf
would have no chance.
With their long travel suspension CTs also make sense if you are surrounded
with speed humps.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
17mls W. of London.UK

"John Smith" wrote
> FFS.
>
> £210 for a Toerag in W1 seems fair, and even generous.
>
> £210 for a 10-yr-old diesel Defender on a farm?
>
> These people have No Idea.
>
Of course they have no idea, John Prescott does not have a driving licence
and for that matter neither does Ken Livingstone the Mayor of London.
How many guys their age do you know that have never driven, and we have two
of them making laws that affect driving!
It's a crazy country we live in.

Regards
Bob Hobden

On 2006-03-22, Neil Brownlee <[email protected]> wrote:

> The actual changes are...
>
> * Vehicles registered before 1st March 2001
>
> Duty for vehicles above 1549cc increased from £170 to £175. Duty for
> smaller engines unchanged at £110.

Based on that, I only get a £5 increase on all my vehicles, which is
OK. I've not got anything newer than 1997!

It seems odd that they're taxing diesel engines more than petrol for
newer cars though, I know that diesel is more polluting on a local
basis but it's less polluting on a global basis. Diesel pollution
is more of a problem in cities but that can be dealt with locally, and
a diesel car that hardly ever goes into a city (like mine) doesn't
contribute to that. Diesels are also more readily converted to burn
better fuels.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

On 2006-03-22, Bob Hobden <[email protected]> wrote:

> Why? We are also walkers and do most of it in the Surrey Hills where we are
> constantly amazed to find houses with long unmade roads leading to them, a
> "Chelsea Tractor" would be the only sensible vehicle in the winter (well a
> normal wet muddy winter).

A more sensible vehicle would be a small rented digger and a trailer
of rubble to fill the surface in. If the land is theirs then they can
fix it themselves for a lot less than they'd pay in extra cash for an
oversized ego-wagon compared to a normal car. If the land isn't
theirs then the landowner can be made to fix it, or more reasonably
they can talk to the landowner and agree to fix it themselves. If the
land is a right-of-way then they're quite probably stuffed anyway due
to the NERC bill.

> With their long travel suspension CTs also make sense if you are
> surrounded with speed humps.

Tosh.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

On 2006-03-22, Judith <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mine has no figures quoted on the V5C. The space is there but there
> are no printed figures.

Ditto. My MOT documentation printed on the standard white paper with
white ink says 1.77 K (1/m), whatever that means.

ISTR sommat about vehicles of a certain age not needing emissions
tests other than a simple smoke test. My 1997/1998 audi also has no
other test according to the MOT docs.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Judith <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:14:44 -0000, "Richard"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> - What CO2/km is my 1997 Disco 1 likely to chuck out? I have MOT
>>> Test smokemetre printouts but it's not clear what the numbers mean.
>>
>> It's quoted in the Vehicle Reg. Document ......... just looked at
>> mine for a TD4 and it gives 205G/KM so even new ones of those will
>> stay outside the new top band.
>
> Mine has no figures quoted on the V5C. The space is there but there
> are no printed figures.
>
> Judith

Don't worry your car is not affected because it's pre 2001 so your looking
at £175

Lee