My 200tdi project. (NAMELESS)

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+1 re' places with low emission zones - I cannot remember the last time I drove in London proper...though I do remember getting caught driving past Westminster Palace when the congestion charge first arrived. A few days later a brown envelope arrived from the Westminster Borough Rozzers, they wanted £60, to put three points on my licence if I didn't pay within x no' days and even enclosed a crystal clear photo' of me in the driver's seat ! o_O Fascists :mad:

+100 re' hydrogen, I've been following Bamford's H engines for some time...their smaller capacity engines are already in production. If the 2.5-3.0 engines fit in a Land Rover engine bay this is positively the way forward. Of course, we could just change the heads, fuel tank, fuel lines, fuel pumps and regulators on our TDi engines...fill up with H and off we go. I think there's a strong market for Land Rover H-ready heads and tank kits.

Porsche have been playing with synthetic fuels since the 1970's, same with their safety design concepts. Not sure if synth.fuels will gain market traction, though Porsche owners have always been gullible to what comes out of Zuffenhausen and blindly pay for the badge.

@LOGS_IN_BOGS , pls excuse off topic above. Trust all's better in the land of Discovery...
Apologies from me for getting well off topic, but it's interesting.

Birmingham is on the no go list too, or will be soon. And Bristol I think is following suit. No sign of the Cotswolds or the Yorkshire Moors going that way though :D

Land Rover issued 200TDI conversions when they released the engine, and I'm sure there would be similar appetite for H conversions if diesel is withdrawn from the pumps. But I don't see that happening in the next decade or so.
I know what you mean about Porsche, there's a quarry somewhere working on the amount of salt you need to take with it, but with 50 years research, they've gotta be close, right?;)
 
Apologies from me for getting well off topic, but it's interesting. Land Rover issued 200TDI conversions when they released the engine, and I'm sure there would be similar appetite for H conversions if diesel is withdrawn from the pumps. But I don't see that happening in the next decade or so.

I think H ICE's are going to be with us sooner than that. The reason is that with only a change of head most diesel engines will near automatically run on H. The other ancillary components are similarly priced as existing system components + ICE engines are low cost to produce in volume + it's tech that the world has known for many years. JCB announce this month a £100M H ICE investment, this is a serious R&D budget for a low volume engine manufacturer https://www.jcb.com/en-gb/news/2021/10/jcb-hydrogen-engine-gets-100m-injection

+++I could readily see Jim Ratcliffe [Ineos] going to Anthony Bamford for next.gen H engines for the Grenadier ;) Off now to buy more JCB and Ineos/Grenadier shares...
 
+1 re' places with low emission zones - I cannot remember the last time I drove in London proper...though I do remember getting caught driving past Westminster Palace when the congestion charge first arrived. A few days later a brown envelope arrived from the Westminster Borough Rozzers, they wanted £60, to put three points on my licence if I didn't pay within x no' days and even enclosed a crystal clear photo' of me in the driver's seat ! o_O Fascists :mad:

+100 re' hydrogen, I've been following Bamford's H engines for some time...their smaller capacity engines are already in production. If the 2.5-3.0 engines fit in a Land Rover engine bay this is positively the way forward. Of course, we could just change the heads, fuel tank, fuel lines, fuel pumps and regulators on our TDi engines...fill up with H and off we go. I think there's a strong market for Land Rover H-ready heads and tank kits.

Porsche have been playing with synthetic fuels since the 1970's, same with their safety design concepts. Not sure if synth.fuels will gain market traction, though Porsche owners have always been gullible to what comes out of Zuffenhausen and blindly pay for the badge.

@LOGS_IN_BOGS , pls excuse off topic above. Trust all's better in the land of Discovery...

Not a problem, all very interesting stuff, at the end of the day we might hate it but we have to get use to it I guess
 
I think H ICE's are going to be with us sooner than that. The reason is that with only a change of head most diesel engines will near automatically run on H. The other ancillary components are similarly priced as existing system components + ICE engines are low cost to produce in volume + it's tech that the world has known for many years. JCB announce this month a £100M H ICE investment, this is a serious R&D budget for a low volume engine manufacturer https://www.jcb.com/en-gb/news/2021/10/jcb-hydrogen-engine-gets-100m-injection

+++I could readily see Jim Ratcliffe [Ineos] going to Anthony Bamford for next.gen H engines for the Grenadier ;) Off now to buy more JCB and Ineos/Grenadier shares...
The "not within a decade" only meant diesel withdrawal. I'm sure we'll have working ICE H relatively soon, but there's no way they can keep selling diesels up to 2030, and then stop supplying fuel for them a few years later. The green nuts would surely go nuts about the waste of making a car only to scrap it :D
Ineos is a great call for an early adopter too, if the infrastructure looks like it'll be in place in their key target markets. They seem to be pushing Australia hard, with good reason.
 
The main reasons I went for a 200TDI were:
1) simplicity, relatively easy for me to work on myself
2) economy, I get 30-40mpg without driving too much like I'm married to Jesus

If an H ICE can delivery similar costs per mile, it'd be an improvement in terms of refinement. No more diesel smell on my hands and a closer to petrol engine sound. Winner!
 
The green nuts would surely go nuts about the waste of making a car only to scrap it :D
Ineos is a great call for an early adopter too, if the infrastructure looks like it'll be in place in their key target markets. They seem to be pushing Australia hard, with good reason.

The majority of Greens are...just nuts and have little knowledge of what they're green for.

Australia and...Denmark/Nordic nations are really plowing ahead with H production and power. I also see Germany going flat out for H in the same way they did with solar thermal & PV 20 years ago. Here, the German economy desperately needs a new expansive international market for their existing engine and vehicle manufacturers.
 
There's nothing to hate about Hydrogen. 3x cv/mass than diesel :cool:

Hydrogen (H2) 120-142 MJ/kg
Diesel fuel 42-46 MJ/kg
https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/facts-and-figures/heat-values-of-various-fuels.aspx

Very low-levels of NOx & SOx, no black particulates, no unspent hydrocarbons, no bad odours, no bellowing black exhaust plumes...just water vapour 'til engine warms and/or on cooler humid days.
Whether it's viable at the pump will very much depend on the cost. At the moment I can fill my tank for approx £110 and do 700-750 miles on that quite reliably. If hydrogen ends up a little more expensive, I'll go along with that (plus conversion costs), but there is a limit where it'd stop being attractive.

I've got no black smoke at the moment (having done quite a lot to get to that point, including all new fuel lines, tank and a replacement intercooler). Don't tell anyone, but when a Tesla or a cyclist is being a cock, I slightly miss the ability to belch some black stuff on em! :D
 
Where we're at at the moment, I have ordered a new boot floor and side bits today along with a new welder. Decided to go for something different, bought a Röhr one, intresting to here people's experience with them.

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Where we're at at the moment, I have ordered a new boot floor and side bits today along with a new welder. Decided to go for something different, bought a Röhr one, intresting to here people's experience with them.

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It looks like, as **** as this experience has been in some ways, it's shown a few areas you'd have needed to sort in the relatively near term anyway. You should end up with a good solid vehicle!
 
Progress was made tonight, discovered more rust which is becoming normal now. I'm beginning to think something happened on the left hand side like a smashed window that didn't get repaired for a while.


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Hi folks, project is still alive. I'm struggling to find time to work on it at the moment but we're getting there, will post photos tonight. Can't get it to start at the moment, it's making a constant ticking noise and when you go to start you can hear the relay clicking but nothing else. Tried cleaning the start motor. Nothing happens.
 
Hi folks, project is still alive. I'm struggling to find time to work on it at the moment but we're getting there, will post photos tonight. Can't get it to start at the moment, it's making a constant ticking noise and when you go to start you can hear the relay clicking but nothing else. Tried cleaning the start motor. Nothing happens.
Glad to hear it's still in the works!
Has your disco got an imobiliser fitted? If so, that would be my starting point, especially if it's stood unstarted for a while.
If not, then I'd start by replacing the starter relay. On a late 80s Range Rover, on the passenger side up by the bulkhead. Given the similarity in model I'd start there, and failing that have a look in the Disco forums. Good luck!
 
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