Ace amber warning light on

[sierrafery]

Getting open loop from both DCV plugs back to co377,

Aren't the DCV's linked to 0391? 0377 should be linked to the ECU

All i can think is that wiring is hurt somewhere and under the solenoid's load it looses conductivity, i presume that the readings are higher than 2.7 ... make a bridge with a piece of wire in the connectors and measure that way from C0391, and if you get ''solid'' closed loop wire up a H4 bulb if you have and connect it into the plug and compare the bulb's resistance with the circuit's.

 

[Megamagelol1]

Aren't the DCV's linked to 0391? 0377 should be linked to the ECU

All i can think is that wiring is hurt somewhere and under the solenoid's load it looses conductivity, i presume that the readings are higher than 2.7 ... make a bridge with a piece of wire in the connectors and measure that way from C0391, and if you get ''solid'' closed loop wire up a H4 bulb if you have and connect it into the plug and compare the bulb's resistance with the circuit's.

Yeah sorry that’s what I ment,
I’ve cut one of the plugs off so I can test the other side of plug, both are open loops and I’ve tested the solenoids and there between 1.9-2.4 ohms
I’m really scratching my head now, I haven’t got one of those bulbs,
It’s all reading good and then as soon I connect it back it all reads high again, how would I go about now narrowing down the fault ?

 

[sierrafery]

Hook somehow a bulb to the wires where you cut the plug and compare resistances as i said before or connect the DCV plug to the PCV if it fits(i didnt try that to know) and if then you get good reading like for the PCV circuit it means that the DCV solenoids have some internal problem which might be quite likely if the reading jumps between 1.9 - 2.4 as you jiggle on the pins with the multimeter's probes while it was 2.7 before, the DCV's resistance should be very close to 2.5 and steady but seems that they can drop below 2 which is not good anyway so there coild have been some water ingress in them and there is corrosion where the pins connect to the winding inside or something... too bad i didnt cut one in half to see how it's inside.

 

[Megamagelol1]

Hook somehow a bulb to the wires where you cut the plug and compare resistances as i said before or connect the DCV plug to the PCV if it fits(i didnt try that to know) and if then you get good reading like for the PCV circuit it means that the DCV solenoids have some internal problem which might be quite likely if the reading jumps between 1.9 - 2.4 as you jiggle on the pins with the multimeter's probes while it was 2.7 before, the DCV's resistance should be very close to 2.5 and steady but seems that they can drop below 2 which is not good anyway so there coild have been some water ingress in them and there is corrosion where the pins connect to the winding inside or something... too bad i didnt cut one in half to see how it's inside.

Hi mate right got to bottom of it, it’s the red/green wire is broken,
I’ve ordered all the connectors I need but what wire is it ? What amp is the wire used ? thanks again mate for all your help

 

[sierrafery]

Hi mate right got to bottom of it, it’s the red/green wire is broken,
I’ve ordered all the connectors I need but what wire is it ? What amp is the wire used ? thanks again mate for all your help

Well done m8, congratulation for your insistence, that wire is common for both DCVs hence those erratic readings with solenoids connected... others would have binned the whole system for such fault, the original wire is 1.5 sq mm so dont go below that gauge... for future reference cos i see you became handy with electrics the wire's gauge is shown in the diagram near the colour code and the figure(1.5 in this case) is the gauge in square mm... though i hope you identified the correct wire cos that from pin 2 should be GR(green with red trace) not red/green as you wrote. Good luck , i hope your next message will be that the ACE warning is off ... but dont hesitate to ask if you have other dillemas cos i like to be part of happy endings .

 

[Megamagelol1]

Well done m8, congratulation for your insistence, that wire is common for both DCVs hence those erratic readings with solenoids connected... others would have binned the whole system for such fault, the original wire is 1.5 sq mm so dont go below that gauge... for future reference cos i see you became handy with electrics the wire's gauge is shown in the diagram near the colour code and the figure(1.5 in this case) is the gauge in square mm... though i hope you identified the correct wire cos that from pin 2 should be GR(green with red trace) not red/green as you wrote. Good luck , i hope your next message will be that the ACE warning is off ... but dont hesitate to ask if you have other dillemas cos i like to be part of happy endings .

Sorry mate my terminology with electrics is still not 100% but yes that’s the wire I ment, thanks so much again I couldn’t have dont it with your help! I’m going to order my wire now and fingers crossed when everything is here the ace light will be extinguished once more

 

[sierrafery]

Welcome any time. Out of curiosity how did you find out that the wire is broken ?

 

[MJI]

Good news then, another system saved.

Oh and when it starts leaking fix it don't bin it.

Mine is on hydraulic hoses.

 

[Megamagelol1]

Good news then, another system saved.

Oh and when it starts leaking fix it don't bin it.

Mine is on hydraulic hoses.

Yeah mate 1000% I love the system
Wouldn’t want to bin it

 

[Megamagelol1]

Welcome any time. Out of curiosity how did you find out that the wire is broken ?

Well I Temporarily Spliced a wire onto the GR wire at DCV 2) I then ran that wire over the bonnet and it gave me a reading of 2.5
So I then chased in wire past we’re the GR wire is joined going to DCV1 and tested that and that gave a reading of 2.5 so I figured that the damaged wire must be after the join.
All I’ll do is run a new wire through the harness cut it of near plug CO391 and also cut it the other end of joiner and connect there so I don’t have to rewire all the DCV plugs

 

[Megamagelol1]

Well I Temporarily Spliced a wire onto the GR wire at DCV 2) I then ran that wire over the bonnet and spliced to
C0391 and it gave me a reading of 2.5
So I then chased in wire past we’re the GR wire is joined going to DCV1 and tested that and that gave a reading of 2.5 so I figured that the damaged wire must be after the join.
All I’ll do is run a new wire through the harness cut it of near plug CO391 and also cut it the other end of joiner and connect there so I don’t have to rewire all the DCV plugs

 

[sierrafery]

Well done.... though IMO it would be better to join the new wire near the DCV plugs with the GR wires from both plugs cos there is that A26 joint point shwn in the diagram where i suspect the problem is that's why first time you've got bad readings on both DCVs

 

[Megamagelol1]

Well done.... though IMO it would be better to join the new wire near the DCV plugs with the GR wires from both plugs cos there is that A26 joint point shwn in the diagram where i suspect the problem is that's why first time you've got bad readings on both DCVs

Yeah well I thought that but as I checked it nearer the engine that the joiner I assumed that all the wiring the other side of it ( towards the block) was okay, I will make sure I take my time when connecting and test as I go mate

 

[sierrafery]

Good luck... the fault was found so now you'll have to find the best way to fix it just dont forget that it's a resistive interruption which reacts to the solenoid's load that's why a new wire all the way would be the best fix... and clear the faut codes after the job is done

 

[Megamagelol1]

Good luck... the fault was found so now you'll have to find the best way to fix it just dont forget that it's a resistive interruption which reacts to the solenoid's load that's why a new wire all the way would be the best fix... and clear the faut codes after the job is done

Thank you mate yeah I will see how it goes, then to fit a water pump on my p38 v8 and fix blend motors and heater matrix O rings

 

[sierrafery]

I hope you''ll update the evolution cos i'm curious

 

[Megamagelol1]

I hope you''ll update the evolution cos i'm curious

On the ace light mate ?
I Temporarily ran a wire down from the plug and perfects readings in everything. turned the car on, no ace light !!! And all the readings from live data and perfect. Now just to connect it properly, tape it all up get the loom back out the way and nice and water tight then job done

 

[sierrafery]

On the ace light mate ?

Off course, i just wanted a confirmation that all is working now after such an "adventure"

So it seems it's sorted then... well done, I'm a fan of the ACE system and hate seing how people gets rid of it at the first issue...you did well, these kind of wiring issues are the worst of all but at least this thread is an evidence that everything is fixable and it didnt cost much money either.

 

[Megamagelol1]

Off course, i just wanted a confirmation that all is working now after such an "adventure"

So it seems it's sorted then... well done, I'm a fan of the ACE system and hate seing how people gets rid of it at the first issue...you did well, these kind of wiring issues are the worst of all but at least this thread is an evidence that everything is fixable and it didnt cost much money either.

Oh yeah sorry dude, yeah so Once I get it all wired up, just gotta double check it thats all,
And yeah exactly , people spend £400-£500 putting a ACE delete kit on it,
When really it’s a fairly simple system.
and mate I couldn’t have dont it without you, this will set me up in further for how to fine electrical faults like this,
I will always keep in contact my friend and I hope you will do the same

 

[Megamagelol1]

Off course, i just wanted a confirmation that all is working now after such an "adventure"

So it seems it's sorted then... well done, I'm a fan of the ACE system and hate seing how people gets rid of it at the first issue...you did well, these kind of wiring issues are the worst of all but at least this thread is an evidence that everything is fixable and it didnt cost much money either.

Hi again mate light is off! New wire come red all taped up ! But...... I now have a leak from the bottom of the 4 pipes coming out of the ACE block towards the front of car, from around where it meets the block and collar. Any ideas how to get them off or replaced ? Thanks