P38A wanting to fit driving lamps

[The Mad Hat Man]

The system is marginal at best. When you need a system to have the help of aircon fans on a warm day to cool the engine, marginal is the only word suitable. Anything other than full airflow on a very slghtly sick system is going to be costly. But carry on you know best.

If only Land Rover had listened to you, eh!
I never said it was ok, just that a clogged radiator, as stated by you, won't help cooling. Sometimes you are an unhelpful arsehole.
I can't see anything on this thread, by you, that helps the OP.

 

[wammers]

If only Land Rover had listened to you, eh!
I never said it was ok, just that a clogged radiator, as stated by you, won't help cooling. Sometimes you are an unhelpful arsehole.
I can't see anything on this thread, by you, that helps the OP.

With everything working correctly cooling system is marginal. ANY slight problem can send them into self destruct mode. How giving advise to try and prevent someone grief is being an unhelpful arsehole defeats me. But i suppose in the great plan of things, being an unhelpful arsehole or even an helpful arsehole, is better than being an uniformed arsehole like you.

 

[The Mad Hat Man]

With everything working correctly cooling system is marginal. ANY slight problem can send them into self destruct mode. How giving advise to try and prevent someone grief is being an unhelpful arsehole defeats me. But i suppose in the great plan of things, being an unhelpful arsehole or even an helpful arsehole, is better than being an uniformed arsehole like you.

So you are saying that LR got it wrong?
Anyway it ain't up to you or me - it's the OPs decision. I just supplied the info. You don't give advise (sic) - you state your opinion and Lord help anyone that differs.

 

[wammers]

So you are saying that LR got it wrong?
Anyway it ain't up to you or me - it's the OPs decision. I just supplied the info. You don't give advise (sic) - you state your opinion and Lord help anyone that differs.

I have already said the lad can fit what he wants to his car. He either listens or he doesn't that is up to him. Listening to me is maybe far wiser than listening to you. Why do you always want an argument about nothing? You can be a proper prat at times.

 

[The Mad Hat Man]

Land rover never did a spot lamp kit or harness, certainly not listed in accessories. Only a fog lamp kit and harness. Fog lamps have different regs than spot lamps. Fogs can be on with side lamps or head lamps. I think spots can only be on with headlamps. So the fog harness would not do the job. All lighting circuits are controlled from BECM as part of the bulb out warning system. All DSE diesels or HSE petrol models should have the fog harness as standard fogs are just plugged in and set as active in BECM with diag.

Unlike you, I don't think that I know it all, certainly not about Rangies. Therefore I ask questions to find out more. You state above that "Land rover never did a spot lamp kit or harness" and yet the cable harness that was quoted is a Rangie driving light harness, not fog light, so I do not understand why you state they do not do a harness. Before you tell me that a driving light isn't a spot light, it certainly isn't a fog light either. It appears that those harnesses might be available stateside or, if not, easy to make up. I agree that reducing airflow is never a good idea, but why you need to bring up blocked radiators is beyond me.
The OP wanted some info, and that is what I supplied. I would suggest that he doesn't mount 12" lights in front of the rad aswell, but he hasn't said that he is, so I am going to bow out now and let you have the last word, as you seem to find that important. I hope that the OP found the info useful and hasn't found the slagging match to off putting. There is more than enough ****e on LZ ag without bringing it into here.

 

[wammers]

Unlike you, I don't think that I know it all, certainly not about Rangies. Therefore I ask questions to find out more. You state above that "Land rover never did a spot lamp kit or harness" and yet the cable harness that was quoted is a Rangie driving light harness, not fog light, so I do not understand why you state they do not do a harness. Before you tell me that a driving light isn't a spot light, it certainly isn't a fog light either. It appears that those harnesses might be available stateside or, if not, easy to make up. I agree that reducing airflow is never a good idea, but why you need to bring up blocked radiators is beyond me.
The OP wanted some info, and that is what I supplied. I would suggest that he doesn't mount 12" lights in front of the rad aswell, but he hasn't said that he is, so I am going to bow out now and let you have the last word, as you seem to find that important. I hope that the OP found the info useful and hasn't found the slagging match to off putting. There is more than enough ****e on LZ ag without bringing it into here.

Safari 5000 long range and fog lamps that wiring harness STC8884 relates to are still available from Land rover STC8480 and STC8481. The mounting bar for the P38 STC8883AA is no longer available from Land rover, neither is the wiring harness STC8884. Driving lamps nor spot lamps are listed in accessories available for the P38 in the latest issue of RAVE accessory listings. So obviously discontinued for some reason i wonder what that could be? Who started the slagging match?

 

[martyuk]

I'm not going to get in the middle of whatever you have going on.... BUT

From some real world PERSONAL experience from someone who's had 3 P38s, all have either had the A bar and spotlights fitted after owning it, or in the case of my latest one, were already fitted when I got it (with the correct wiring harness - not a bodge in job). The P38 cooling system is fine having the spot lamps in front of the grille. On my first one, I had it about a year before I got a deal on the A bar/spots and there was no noticeable difference between pre-lamps and post-lamps in temperature or cooling efficiency. That P38 was owned when I still lived in NZ, it was my Daily Driver, and in summer would hit 30+ for days on end. Still no cooling problems.

The current one also doesn't have any issues, but then I like to keep an eye on my cooling system and try to keep it in good condition and fix things before they become major issues. I can't comment on Diesel P38's, as all mine have been V8's. The latest one is on LPG, and was for 4 years before I bought it, which if you listen to the scaremongers, then it's already running hotter than it should, add the fact it's got spots on it, so it should have destroyed itself by now. But it hasn't.

 

[blue beasty]

I'm not sure what people think happens to the air around lamps but it doesn't bounce off

Obviously if way too big they could divert the main part of the air flow so it doesn't hit the rad at all but generally the most they will achieve is a reasonably balanced highering and lowering of air pressure at different points of the rad.

Size and speed obviously increase the effect so probably best not to fit floodlights if you want to sit on an autobahn

 

[wammers]

The P38 petrol can be marginal on cooling for several reasons. Firstly you have a set of Aircon fans which at standstill restrict airflow. Then you have a Aircon condenser which can get partially blocked by road debris. Even if clear is delivering hot air to the components behind it when Aircon is active. Then to have two oil coolers both delivering hot air to the radiator behind them. Then you have the increase in thermostat temp on later models to increase the running temperature to reduce emission outputs. Anything other than a tip top debris free system would not profit from further airflow restrictions or the fitting of an LPG system. The petrols have not always had Aircon fan assist to get rid of latent heat at reduced road speeds after an higher speed usage for nothing. It is thermal expansion and contraction differences that cracks the blocks and causes the liners to slip, caused by unnoticed coolant loss causing hot spots in the engine and differing rates of expansion and contraction is these areas. Don't listen if you don't want to, i really don't give a shit if you knacker your engine or not if you won't listen, that is your choice.